(Closed) Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead

posted 8 years ago in Wellness
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Sugar Beekeeper

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@mixtapehearts:  Well you can’t market common sense…where is the profit in that?

Post # 78
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Busy bee

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@MrsFuzzyFace:  I have a Breville as well, but I’m new to juicing (am just supplementing snacks with juicing) and have difficulties with the leafy greens. They all seem to end up in the trash bin section instead of actually turning into juice. Not sure what my problems is, but thanks for clarifying on how it works for you!

Post # 79
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@MrsFuzzyFace:  I saw it and found it pretty interesting. I’ve done a 21 day fruits & veggies fast but never gone to juicing. I’m sure I’m the odd ball out that doesn’t see an issue with a 30 day juice fast, but I also don’t see issue with a 40 day full fast (for those of generally good health to begin with).

Hope you see great imporvement in the other health issues you deal with! =)

Post # 80
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@runsyellowlites:  but I also don’t see issue with a 40 day full fast

How would this be a good idea on any level? Your depriving your body, heart, brain what it needs to live. Even a few days causes heart issues, electrolyte imbalances, ketoacidosis, hypoglycemia , the list goes on. Your body literaly goes into starvation mode before starting to shut down your organs. 

Yes, some people have done this and survived, a lot of them have serious health issues after that they may or may not admit too. Lots more have claimed to do it but were probably eating junk food and soda when no one was looking. And lots of people have died trying to do things like this. Yes, if your in good health, and have an extra 100 pounds on you, you will probably get sick but will be fine, but this does not prove in any way that it is good for you, no matter how many quacks tell you it is. 

Lots of people swear that everything can be cured by drinking your own urine, eating silver, etc. I wish people did not encourage others to follow these extreme fads because it is not effective at best and deadly at worst. 

Post # 81
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Sugar Beekeeper
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Pretty much anything is going to improve your health if you are morbidly obese and existing on fat and sodium. That doesn’t mean the way he went about it is healthy.

Why juice the fruits and veggies? WHy not just eat them whole so that you get all the fiber and other nutrients? WHat your body needs is a balanced, healthy diet, not the juice fast fad. So frustrating to see people feeding into that stuff (literally!)

Post # 82
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I was recently watching a show on the History Channel about a doctor back in the early 1900’s or maybe the late 1800’s who fed her patience an all juice diet for some months claiming it could heal anything from cancer to stomach aches. Every single one of them died. It took at least a few months, but they all starved to death. So I would deam this unhealthy!

She was not really a doctor and had everyone of them sign over their wills to her. She was starving them on purpose!

Post # 84
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Buzzing bee

I haven’t seen the documentary yet, but it is in my Netflix queue. I wouldn’t want to do a 30-day juice fast — but the concept of going heavily on fruits and veggies, while throwing in a little bit of lean protein and some healthy, whole-grain carbs, sounds like a good idea to me.

 

Whenever I have eaten like that in the past, I have lost weight at a healthy yet fast rate… I need to do that again! LOL

Post # 85
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Bumble bee
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My take:

Juicing can be super healthy, but it’s all in moderation. I do think there are some people who could do well by the juice fast, but it’s nothing you should do long-term (I’m thinking 10 days tops depending on your condition). I think the main problem with juicing is the amount of sugar in the fruit – but the beauty of having a juicer is you can make great veggie drinks. A lot of people correlate “juicing” with “fruit and sugar” but that’s clearly not the case most of the time.

I watched Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead and I thought it was pretty good. The messages I took away from it are 1) be careful about what you eat and 2) juicing is a great way to get extra nutrients and make you excited about healthy foods.

In defense of the movie, they were pretty clear about making sure you consult a doctor before doing a juicing fast, because it’s not for everyone. I think a lot of people who discuss this movie/juicing tend to bypass fact that they addressed this, even though they clearly say it quite a few times. Also, Joe Cross did say the main reason he chose juicing was because of the sheer volume of food he was supposed to eat for every meal – they showed his meals broken down by full fruits and veggies spread out on the table – it was WAY more than anyone could eat whole in one sitting. I’m not saying one way or another that a juice fast is good or bad, but I do think juicing in general can be very good for you, if not nutritionally motivating.

Post # 86
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The misinformation on this board about the “dangers” of this juice fast just reminds me of how poorly educated we are on nutrition.

I am a vegan Nutritionist and saw the entire documentary several times.  It’s one of my favorite documentaries to date.  It’s very well done, and Joe Cross knows his stuff.  How can some of the bees say it’s not healthy after seeing the testimony?  Did you skip the testimony from the Phil guy (is that his name?) who lost 202 lbs and feels better than ever?

I have been fasting for years.  It’s safe and effective for most people.  Protein intake is a non-issue.  The body also makes its own cholesterol.  True, eventually the body will need essential fatty acids (EFA’s) and that is why fasting beyond 120 days is not recommended.  Trust me, fasting is a hundred times safer and healthier than most of our diets.

I just think people should do research before automatically assuming that this “fad” is not safe.  It’s not even a fad.  People have been fasting for centuries.  It’s unheard of in this country because we love to stuff our faces every chance we get.  I suggest just doing the research!

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Post # 87
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Helper bee

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@LindsayMaree:  Thank you!  Someone who gets it!  I’ve been a vegan for 4 years and counting.  I went vegetarian 9 years ago.  Going vegan has made my hair grow longer, my nails stopped breaking, my gums never bleed anymore, my allergies are GONE, etc.  A protein deficiency would have not made any of this possible.  Epithelial tissue suffers when there’s not enough protein.  I am 33 and look 25.  Thank God I never hear that “where do you get your protein” question anymore.  Being a Nutritionist kind of keeps people’s comments in the “normal” range!

 

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@Mrs. Harmony:  One person’s testimony (someone who stands to make some money off of it I might add) does not prove the validity of a nutrition plan. Also just because people do it elsewhere or historically does not make it safe. People also didn’t wash their hands for centuries and don’t wash their hands in other parts of the world. 

I think short-term fasting could be valuable just as a “reboot” psychologically, but that’s just speculation. I am skeptical that protein intake is a “non-issue” as well over the course of a month or longer. People often add exercise, cutting out alcohol and drugs, getting better sleep, etc. when they go on a plan like this. It’s no surprise that they would feel better for a bit! I think that a balanced diet is simply harder for people to achieve than following one hard and fast rule, and as a result they end up seeing better results for a short period.

At the end of the day to each their own, I am just really skeptical of the nutrition plans that ask you to cut out all but a handful of things for the long-term. 

Post # 89
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Bee Keeper

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@Mrs. Harmony:  I agree with you. The “nutrition” we are taught and led to believe to be true is   criminal. I also think there are a lot of opinions being thrown from people who aren’t familiar with the documentary or the science behind it. 

Post # 90
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Blushing bee
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@Mrs. Harmony:  But wouldn’t you agree that it’s healthier to make meaningful long-term changes to your diet than looking for a quick fix? You can’t just drink juice your whole life. I’m all for vegan and vegetarian diets, but that’s not what’s touted in the documentary.

Ugh. I’m sorry, any diet that doesn’t involve chewing is bullshit.

Post # 91
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Helper bee

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@batwoman:  I understand that 3 people’s testimony is not “proof” of anything.  But fasting benefits are all proven healthy by science, not just anecdotal evidence.  The FDA does not want this information leaked because then we would all be replacing our medications with juicers.  The pharmaceutical company doesn’t get rich off of purchasing juicers.  They have lobbyists that are practically blowing the FDA (sorry for harsh language) and the FDA has to push pills on us so we can be “healthy”.

I only pointed out the testimonies of the 3 people from FSAND documentary because it’s something that was made so obvious to the viewers, and people on this board seem to be ignoring this and saying it’s unhealthy.  I’m pretty passionate about this topic because I’ve been juicing for 12 years and hold workshops in my community about juicing.  I have fasted at least 20 times and nothing clears my mind, body and spirit better.  People have been practicing fasting all over the world, for a long time for one reason.  It works.  Humans are intelligent beings and we would not pass a custom down for generations for no reason.

People with metabolic diseases, pregnancy, or bodybuilders should take precaution.  But people with cancer do GREAT with it.  I put my ex on a fast in the throes of his cancer and he needed fewer chemo cycles than originally told.  Not saying that’s the cause, but I think it helped.  Juice fasting does excellent with diabetes and especially auto-immune disorders, too.

Cutting out alcohol, drugs, and sleeping better are all side effects of fasting.  I urge people to just try juice fasting for 3 days.  I am very certain that the benefits will amaze you.

Angela Stokes went 92 days without solid food.  That’s crazy stuff!  But she supplemented with superfoods to keep her EFA’s in check.  Almost anyone can do a month or two with no major concerns. The body gets plenty of calories, fluids and protein. 

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