(Closed) Follow-Up to Creationism/Evolution Bill Nye debate

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@Anna10-05-2014:  “The claims [of evolution] are extraordinary and I just don’t see enough evidence to support them.”

Really?? I mean really???? So you’re going to believe the words written in 1 book that was translated thousands of times in multiple langagues and includes such things as: a talking snake, walking on water, parting a sea, a global flood… you get my point.

Look, the bible is a nice myth used to teach morals and provide laws for the common good. It no longer applies to today. It’s full of owning slaves, raping women, cannabalism, and murder. It’s really quite a horrible story and it saddens me that you have to clutch onto it so strongly – to the point where you abandon modern day marvels (seriously, I mean we discovered the key to life in 1953!). In the past 50 years we have learned more about the human body than in the last two thousand years. You are living in a beautiful era, a GOLDEN age in science and you are willfully choosing to igore it! Very sad.


Post # 78
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@nightborn:  Saying satan is capable of putting dino bones in the earth is giving him entirely too much credit for power that he doesn’t have. That is actually worse than the dinos on the ark thing! 

Post # 79
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@Anna10-05-2014:  

 GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Adam was lonely, so god made him a bunch of animal friends.  Why would Adam be lonely and need these animal friends if they had been created before him?

Post # 80
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I did grad school in England, and a lot of, my fellow students/profs thought creationism was a joke. I mean that literally. They thought the whole idea of creationism instead of evolution was so silly the US must have been trying to rather unsuccessfully pull some sort of strange practical joke on the world media. 

 

99% of the time I’m not convinced that the “debate” really matters. Personally my favourite theologian is grosseteste, who basically said at creation god created an infinite point of light, and infinite point of matter, then created time.  Even the concept of a “Big Bang theory” comes from the work of a man (Lemaitre) who was both a catholic priest and a scientist. 

 

 

Post # 82
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Post # 83
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@Bridey77:  the annoying thing is, when I tried to debate this with her, she’d just look at me with sad eyes and tell me Satan was speaking through my lips. I have lots of religious friends from many religions (Christian, Jewish, Muslim) and she is the only one I just can’t be around. 

 

Post # 84
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@nightborn:  It may be because she is so new in the faith. When she matures in her walk as a Christian and learns more, she will hopefully have more wisdom in her words. 

Post # 86
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Wow you people seriously can’t just let someone believe based on faith alone. You will never disprove my God and I am glad you can’t because Faith is what I rely on. And seriously I barely consider Catholicism a part of Christianity so don’t try to tell me I’m wrong by quoting someone who I never agreed with anyway. 

And the thing that really gets me is when aithiests pull lines out of the bible totally out of context and then pretend they understand them. 

All I said was creation is based on the FAITH that God is more powerful up then the science he created and still you trying to disprove me with science when I was never arguing science. My God is bigger is all I’m saying. Its my belief based entirely on Faith and Life experience…. And zero science. I trust God. Im a Christian, that should be self explanatory. Do you really think im gna place my trust in just what men currently believe more then I do the God who created them…..

Wow I thought there were at least some Christians on this board. 

I thought you people were all about tolerance? Or is it only if they agree with you? 

Post # 87
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@Kate0558:  considering your stance on Catholics and “other Christians” on this board who disagree with you, what does that say about your level of tolerance?

 

Post # 89
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@mrsSonthebeach:  Yeah it’s just not really a problem in Canada, is what I was trying to say.

Post # 90
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@Kate0558:  there are Christians on this board, they just aren’t jumping to your defense because you’re doing a pretty good job of making us all look like crazy Bible thumpers with zero intelligence. So, I would rather stay out and let you fight this one on your own.

Post # 91
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@FutureDrAtkins:  

“The claims [of evolution] are extraordinary and I just don’t see enough evidence to support them.”

Inserting evolution is not an accurate depiction of what I said.

“You’re going to believe the words written in 1 book that was translated thousands of times in multiple langagues and includes such things as: a talking snake, walking on water, parting a sea, a global flood… you get my point.”

Two problems.
1) You assumed that I do not have sufficient evidence for accepting scripture as truth. See, you may have sufficient evidence to believe in common ancestry and you may not have enough evidence to believe the bible is true. But that is simply you.
I, on the other hand, do have overwhelming that brings me to except the bible is true. What I don’t have is any evidence that has convinced me that common ancestry is true. (none has been provided here even though this has been one of my biggest points.)

2) Even if I didn’t have enough evidence to support my beliefs in the bible, this does not have any bearing on the lack of evidence there is for CA. It’s a false logic and doesn’t support a claim that there is evidence for CA.

“The bible is a nice myth”
You really shouldn’t assert your opinion as fact. This has illustrated my problem. Just the facts please. Not your interpretation of the facts, unless you say just that. ex: “Based on my study, I believe the bible is a myth.” That would be accurate. Your declaration that it is a myth is asserting your opinion.    
“It’s full of owning slaves, raping women, cannibalism, and murder.”
Those things really happened. Why would the bible be silent on those topics? It would be a bigger problem for the bible if it were to ignore these things. It is also false to assume the bible supports immorality because it mentions it.

“you abandon modern day marvels”
Which modern marvels are I abandoning?
 
“You are living in a beautiful era, a GOLDEN age in science and you are willfully choosing to igore it!”
:/ Please enlighten me some more. What am I willfully choosing to ignore?

@pixiecat:  “Why would Adam be lonely and need these animal friends if they had been created before him?”
I understand why you would think that 19 indicates that God formed animals after Adam was made, but this misinterpretation is common only to those who insist and want to believe the bible contradicts. Adam was lonely because none of the already formed animals were compatible for him. This is clarified in verse 20. If it has been indicated that the animals were formed before Adam, then why assume that this verse means they were not? A word study on “formed,” shows that “God had formed” is a plausible translation. This translation matches with the rest of scripture, so why assume the word is present tense instead of past tense?
In order for something to be a contradiction, it must be 100% contrary. If there is a possibility that it is not contrary, then you cannot say it is contradictory. It is only contradictory if you interpret it the way you have, but there is nothing indicating that this is the correct interpretation. In fact, had formed (past tense) is the more plausible interpretation in light of the scripture context.

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