(Closed) For everyone who wants to discuss different aspects of religion

posted 6 years ago in Interfaith
Post # 3
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: January 1992

Religion: Organized chaos that divides everyone. Gah!

Post # 4
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: March 2013

@StuporDuck:  isn’t that ironic? one would think religion, with all its moral codes of conduct, would be able to do the world a bit of good. Seems like we need more than a set of moral codes.

Post # 6
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: January 1992

@toasty:  This is exactly why I so eschew it. ALL of it. People get so caught up in semantics that they become intolerant of other people altogether. It’s one of the few things that makes me want to beat my head against a wall. 

Although I will offer a disclaimer: My father was a member of the cult convinced that May 21, 2011 was going to be the start of the rapture, and kept brow-beating everyone about their “beliefs,” or lack thereof…. My disgust with extreme religion is probably enhanced because of this.

Post # 7
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: January 1992

There is a bumper sticker out there that I LOVE: 

Post # 9
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

Can I just say that I agree with what the girl on the other thread said about being ripped off by officiants? I forgot about that part. It is UNREAL what they want to charge for their services/facilities whether you are a member or not. I understand that some of them don’t keep the profits but come on. Don’t they want to promote marriage? No wonder so many low income people don’t get married/ go with a JOP. 

Post # 10
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: July 2012

@StuporDuck:  I love that sticker!! I think I’ve got pretty similar views to you when it comes to religion. I’m an atheist, and I struggle to see the benefits of religion sometimes – it just causes arguments, stress, an unfair basis for judging others, a scapegoat for bad things happening (God’s will that a mother drank during her pregnancy and caused FAS? I don’t think so!), a way of oppressing others, and just a general excuse for others not to actually do anything to help their fellow man.

My fiance is a catholic, though definitely not a serious one, he says himself that he believes more out of habit than out of actual ‘belief,’ and I’m quite happy to live and let live when it comes to religion, but when people start treating others differently as a result of their religion, I see red.

Post # 11
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: December 2012

@StuporDuck:  LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that Bumper Sticker… if only.

Unfortunately some folks truly believe that there is only one way to heaven… and it is the road that THEY ALONE are on.

Intolerance makes me sick.

 

Post # 12
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

@This Time Round:  Unfortunately some folks truly believe that there is only one way to heaven… and it is the road that THEY ALONE are on.

 

But…for the Christian faith there is only ONE way to heaven.  It is not meant to sound intolerant by saying this.  If I’m a Christian and I tell someone they can just be a really good person and don’t have to believe Jesus died for your sins to  get into heaven  I am lying to them.  Because that is not what the beliefs the Christian faith has on salvation.  In some aspect, if you are holding true to your faith, you have to be firm about the beliefs of your faith.  There are certain aspects that yes, are very gray and open to interpretation, but there are certain aspects that are very black and white.  People don’t like to hear that, they want to have this “well if you believe it’s true it must be true for you” mentality of the world.  But in the Christian faith, that way of thinking goes against our beliefs.  It’s a hard truth for many and many mistake it as being close minded and intolerant. 

 

 

 

Post # 13
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: January 1992

@nursemel:  It’s not close minded and intolerant when your faith works for you, and you’re content to let the Hindu down the street have their own way of thinking.

It’s closed minded and intolerant when a zealot tells that same Hindu down the street (for example) that they are WRONG WRONG WRONG!! And the Christian zealot condescendingly pities the hell-bound heathen Hindu in a very elitist way. 

Post # 14
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Sugar bee

@sablemuse:  … being ripped off by officiants … It is UNREAL what they want to charge for their services/facilities whether you are a member or not.

Not trying to thread-jack here (especially after this was rescued from the other thread!), but I do think a little perspective is in order on this point: most brides out there spend at least several hundred and possibly several thousand dollars on their gowns. Several hundred to a few thousand is also the norm for the photography, the flowers, etc.

The officiant, especially in a house of worship, is the one who solemnizes the marriage. I think it’s a little skewed when it’s okay to spend a ton on the dress or the flowers, but it’s a big burden to pay a comparable amount to the house of worship where the sacrament takes place, or the ceremony is hosted, or however the faith tradition views it.

It’s a bit like complaining about how much it costs to pay ceremony musicians. Yeah, if you take the superficial view you can say “we paid hundreds of dollars for X minutes of music” – but you’re writing off the countless hours of practice those musicians put in to get where they are, the fact that they need to buy & maintain instruments, their transportation costs, their attire, the time they put into the rehearsal for the wedding itself … Clergy members are, in general, not highly paid for all that they do. They put in a lot of time, energy, and love into their education and training. They work all week in order to be able to work on the weekend, and when they officiate a wedding, that is on top of all of their other responsibilities to their congregation, etc. And, as you yourself noted, when it’s a house of worship and not a freelance officiant, that money doesn’t usually go into the celebrant’s pocket. It pays for the lights and the heat and the air conditioning, and the church/synagogue/temple’s programming, and insurance, and the custodian’s salary, and …

So, *getting down off soapbox*, I would just counsel brides out there who feel annoyed at having to pay what seems like a high fee to the house of worship where the wedding is to be held – ask yourself, “Is our marriage worth as much to me as our flowers? or our photographs? or my dress?” Etc. Because when it comes down to it, the marriage is the whole point and (hopefully) the most lasting outcome of the day. Even more so than the photos.

Okay. Thread-jack suspended. Carry on.

Post # 15
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: December 2012

@StuporDuck:  thank you.  well said.

In MY WORLD, I am against JUDGING period (ie making statements about salavation & H3LL), to be that is intolerance of others faiths… be they Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Muslims… etc

And that also means those who are a member of a Christian Denomination which may not be my own as well… Anglicans, Baptists, Catholics, Episopals, Jehovah Witnesses, Lutherans, Methodists, Mormons, Presbyterians, Quakers… or any other

RELIGIOUS FREEDOM means to be truly free from persecution.  So I don’t criticize other’s beliefs

I am a Christian… I am not a better Christian than anyone else.  I just don’t believe that there is room for such a concept in Christianity period

Life isn’t BLACK or WHITE… Life is a whole rainbow of colour and options… thank goodness.  The world and “in heaven as it is on earth” would be a very bland place if it was only vanilla !!  To think otherwise in my mind is very close minded, period.

 

Post # 16
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

I think the best way for everyone to start being a little more tolerant is to live their life by their beliefs and set an example. If I see someone doing great stuff and being a noble and honest person, I’m going to wonder where their beliefs stem from. I also think that us Christians need to follow this bible verse a little more. This will severly reduce the number soapbox preaching hypocrites out there.

“Now in the law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?”They said this to test him, so that they could have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and began to write on the ground with his finger. But when they continued asking him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” -John 8:5-7

So basically what I’m saying that the best way for a interfaith couple is to live their lives the best they see fit and to not judge eachother. I truly believe that all religions share some universal truths and if you focus on the similarities then life will be easier.

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