(Closed) For the atheists out there.

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Post # 33
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: March 2015

@abirdword:  I need to move where you live hahahaha where is this place

Post # 34
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

@Ms.Sugarsnap:  FH and I are childfree forever, but if we did have kids, yes, we would tell them that one day everyone dies. I’d soften it in a “circle of life” kind of way, saying that you die and become part of the Earth. If I thought they’d understand, I’d explain conservation of matter and the origins of our atoms from the explosions of stars, and how those atoms will continue on after you die, just arranged differently. ;D

I saw a survey not long ago that stated that atheists in America were considered about as trustworthy as rapists. http://reason.com/blog/2011/12/01/believers-rate-atheists-about-as-trustwo

A description of a criminally untrustworthy individual was seen as comparably representative of atheists and rapists, but not representative of Christians, Muslims, Jewish people, feminists, or homosexuals (Studies 2-4).”

So. Some religious ideals are fine, honesty, loyalty, forgiveness, being kind to others… but a lot of the OTHER stuff that goes along with it is incredibly damaging to society in my opinion, and until that OTHER stuff (homophobia, misogyny, sex-negativity, xenophobia, hatefulness, anti-intellectualism, general prescriptiveness about the life script by which people “ought” to live) can be removed and forgotten, I will disapprove highly of any dogmatic religion that involves those things. (In terms of faiths or denominations not so dogmatic, I’m very “whatever live and let live.”)

I don’t have a problem with anyone of any faith who rejects those negative things that so often seem to accompany organized religion. I’ve met quite a few people like that and they’re wonderful. I respect the way they distance themselves from the people who make the faithful look bad.

I also don’t make any assumptions about whether someone does or doesn’t espouse those negative associations. Certainly I would never go against someone for their faith. On an individual level, there’s no reason we all can’t get along — it’s not about any individual and their beliefs, it’s the institution I dislike. 

I’m beyond sick of people saying I can’t have morals or be a good person without god, or that without god there’s no purpose. How sad that sounds to me, when to me it seems of higher value to strive to be good even though you don’t believe in any certain rewards or punishments after death, to be generous because you want to be, not because you fear hell or desire heaven. And I am proud to define my own purpose in life.

Also, if you actually read the old testament, (and similar religious texts) god seems like kind of a jerk. Just saying.

Post # 35
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: April 2013

Their statistics about atheism are kind of weird though – yes, they say only 0.7% of Americans identify as atheist, but leave out that 20% identify as nonreligious, and many people who check a religion box on the census form don’t practice and probably aren’t really religious but just can’t let go of the idea that they’re “supposed” to be.

Not to mention that as you go up the education scale, the number of religious people drops off… all of my friends are at least college-educated, and all those with masters degrees or above are not religious. I live in Texas and actually know very few religious people… but then I live in a big city, socialize with mostly other white collar professionals, and tune out the moment someone says something stupid. I haven’t experienced judgment over being nonreligious since I was 12 years old. I believe it likely happens to poor, uneducated people more often than those further up the income and education scale, where religion is thought of much more as a lifestyle choice like shopping at Whole Foods.

Post # 37
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2013

Interesting article, thank you!

I’m Australian, and the religious culture here does not seem as strong as that of the USA, but there is still a fair bit of aggro from some people when you describe yourself as an atheist. I’ve heard a bit of ‘oh, you’ll change your mind if something bad ever happens to you’. I’ve survived domestic violence and mental illness and I’m still an atheist, does that count as ‘something bad happening’??

 

Post # 38
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

Honestly, I think the only difference in how people are in a liberal part of the country vs. a conservative one is they keep their opinions to themselves, and judge in exactly the same way.  As an adult I’ve lived as an athiest in both “liberal” and “conservative” parts of the country.  It was nice in a way, knowing where you stand with coworkers, etc. right away in the latter.  Religious or conservative remarks come out of the mouths of people I know and the first time shocks me.

These days people seem to feel free to disregard and ignore people who do not share some fundamental beliefs with them, as if they don’t exist or are not relevant in their lives, instead of finding common ground elsewhere.

Post # 39
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2014

have to follow this

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