Post # 1
Anyone who knows me knows that I consider myself an animal lover, to the point where people question whether I will ever be able to love a child as much as I love my perfect labrador (the goodest boy on earth). I’ve also surrounded myself with other animal lovers and now there is seldom a day when someone doesn’t tell me a story about their fur babies or shows me photos. It’s literally my favourite part of every day. I’m posting this for the animal lovers who, like me up until a few weeks ago, may have no idea of what happens to produce eggs in Australia (and all over the world including the USA).
As an animal lover I always made sure I bought free range eggs, and I would even get cranky at Darling Husband if he bought home cage eggs. I knew that forcing a chicken to live its entire life in a cage smaller than an A4 piece of paper was wrong, and if I was going to use the eggs from it, then I should at least make sure it can live a nice life.
Although I had the best intentions, I never really thought about what happens to the male chicks born during the process of breeding the laying hens. Obviously, the male chicks can’t be used to lay eggs so I thought maybe they were raised for meat. But unfortunately, the breed of chickens used to lay eggs don’t grow quickly enough, or large enough for it to be economically feasible to raise them for meat – so they are killed for no reason. In Australia the chicks are killed routinely by maceration. This means throwing the male chicks fully alive and conscious off a conveyor belt into rotating blades which grind them up.
I was shocked when I found this out and saw the footage from SBA hatchery in Victoria, Australia (filmed in 2016). I couldn’t understand why this would be occurring in a developed country like Australia and how I had gone 27 years without knowing, even though I was eating food with egg in it every day. I felt so deceived – I would never have knowingly paid to have this happen and I wish that someone had told me sooner. Unfortunately, I’ve since found out that this is just the tip of the iceberg of how animals are treated in a society where they are viewed as products and for profit.
I’m not judging anyone why eats eggs / animal products (like I said I was doing it just a few weeks ago), I’m just sharing in case there’s someone out there like me who genuinely doesn’t know what happens. If you eat eggs, I urge you to watch the footage linked above so you can be informed enough to decide if it’s something that you want to continue to support.
(moderator) This is an interesting an though provoking thread bee which I’m sure will spark a lot of interest but I’ve removed the videos and photos as they are just not necessary and some people may find them upsetting.
Post # 2
redwinetime : You should also know that in Australia (and many other countries) the term free range does not mean “runs around a barn/farm all free and happy” but actually means x amount more space, sometimes as little as a few cms, yet still in cages.
We are a vegan household so don’t buy eggs but if you do then please try and buy them from backyard chicken coups. Multiple people (like 35 last count) sell eggs in my local area which is in the suburbs of a major Australian city. Or from farmers markets.
I won’t even start on how the supermarkets treat farmers, which makes it even harder to get them to care for their animals since they are making no money trying to stay afloat. People forget about that when they think about the treatment of farmed animals, they forget that they are part of the problem.
Post # 3
j_jaye : yes this is the point that I’m trying to make, that even free range eggs arent cruelty free. They’re better than caged, but the only ethical decision is to stop eating them all together unless people support this sort of thing happening
Post # 4
I wish the moderator hadn’t removed the youtube link and images. People will obvibously find it upsetting but that’s why they need to see it – so they can realise what is happening. Keeping the horror of the animal agriculture industry hidden is what allows these things to keep happening.
If it’s too offensive to watch then how can we justify paying to have it continue?
This isn’t some one off animal cruelty video set in a far away land, this is what routinely happens to produce eggs on dinner plates in USA, Australia and everywhere.
I will post the link to the video here, and if people want to click it and see what happens then they can (warning graphic content) >>>>
Post # 5
This is why I don’t eat animal products. I recently explained this to my in laws who had no idea, it’s quite shocking when you learn what happens to make chicks. Heartbreaking.
Post # 6
Thanks for posting this. I follow a vegan diet too but whether people agree with eating animal products or not, this kind of cruelty is inexcusable. I hope in the near future society will be looking back at our factory farming (amongst other things) and be baffled at how we could ever have been so barbaric.
Post # 7
Yea, it’s pretty awful. I buy eggs from the farm down the road, where I can see the chickens have the run of the property. I’m assuming they sell the male chicks to other local farms to raise and butcher…but still that’s the lesser of two evils.
There’s so much that goes on ‘behind closed doors’. I’m always repulsed when I learn about these things but I’m ever more repulsed to find out most people could care less.
Post # 8
Thank you for bringing this topic up. I also follow a vegan lifestyle. I was vegetarian for 10 years and never really thought about what happens to male chicks. Or male calves or “spent” dairy cows. And I considered myself an animal lover too. I do believe when more people are exposed and become aware of the victims of our choices, we begin to choose differently. Thank you again 🙂
Post # 9
I really appreciate backyard chickens. Dh and i try to do the same with meat, buy direct from humane suppliers so we can have a better idea of the living conditions if animals before we eat them. I’m not saying we dont occiasionally eat out, but we cook at home the vast majority of the time.
For us, it’s a religious and conscience things. We’re taught to eat meat sparingly and treat animals humanely. Of course, both those things can be really open to interpretation. We’ve interpreted it to mean go out and buy meat direct and not have meat in every meal. We do have a deep freeze, so we don’t have to make the trip too often. It works for us and we’re pretty comfortable with our decisions.
Post # 10
redwinetime : redwinetime : I have a hard time buying eggs for this reason. Here in the States “free range” usually means that instead of in cages, they’re piled on top of each other in a dark warehouse. It’s horrific what goes in the commercial farming industry. I’m an aspiring vegan, actually.
Post # 11
redwinetime : When I saw the title, I came here to warn you that they put male chicks in the shredder. And on that same note, that dairy cows have their babies taken away at birth, and those babies become “veal”.
And don’t forget about how the Amazon rainforest has been destroyed in order to have enough farm land to grow food for all of the cows. The monkeys, jaguars, and sloths were and continue to be killed, and our planet is going down right alongside it.
And clean water is also important to consider. It takes over 100,000 gallons of water just to make the average American’s annual supply of hamburgers. A plant based diet uses less water in a year than an omnivore does in a month.
So many reasons to be vegan. 😊
Post # 12
redwinetime : whilst you are welcome to PM a moderator if you don’t agree with their decision, complaining about a moderation decision and / or moderator is a violation of the terms of service. I am removing the link again as I stand by my initial decision and if I see it again on this thread I will close it down.
Post # 13
Thank you for raising awareness! Animal product industries have good marketing to cover up the truth. We need more people to expose it. I’m sure most people would be horrified if they knew.
Post # 14
I’m not a vegan, but I do always it funny when someone boasts about buying their free range eggs or organic/grass fed beef – from a supermarket. It’s all mass produced, it’s not sustainable and it’s not really ‘better’ than the other stuff. But labelling and marketing is also big business, and trying/succeeding to make people feel slightly better about their choice so much so that they’ll pay double 🤑 works out well.
Post # 15
Anything bought from a supermarket, you have NO idea where it was raised or how it was raised. I know where every piece of meat I buy and cook was raised and how it was raised, and I am often part of it being raised. Every piece of fish I buy is from someone who I know who caught it or caught ourselves. It can be done. And it’s usually NOT more pricey, as long as you don’t go the organic route, which I truly don’t believe in. As for chickens, we raise our own and the males turn to dog food, or I keep a few each year. You are correct, they do not grow fast enough to be like the regular meat chicken you would buy at the supermarket, but they can still be eaten if cooked properly. If anyone is not wanting to go vegan but does have issues with corporate food, do your research. There are a ton of local markets and CSA’s out there that you can purchase almost everything you need from.
Unfortunately, food education is NOT a thing, and so many communities don’t have the knowledge or accessibility to really good food, nor the means or wish to buy it, so corporate food will always exist to feed the massive population we have produced. I will forever try to help people get what they want in their diets and try to educate, but I will never look upon someone poorly for their food decisions. Whether it be processed crap, vegan, organic, etc…