(Closed) FUR BABY MOMS – Have you ever experienced this in your dog?

posted 6 years ago in Pets
Post # 2
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Bumble bee

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becomingsumner:  I’m not an expert, but I’ve had dogs my whole life and just got my rescue a little under a year ago.

What is normal/acceptable: Some dogs just don’t “get along”, kind of like people.  If a dog growls and runs away from a dog it dislikes, or backs down and continues, that’s OK in my book (and my trainers book).

What is not good (according to my trainer):  I’ll just give an example.  When my dog sees another dog that clearly doesn’t like her, she backs off and trots away.  I have had dogs continue to attack her physically (biting her hard) when she is trying to avoid the situation.  This kind of aggression is bad, and something you need to worry about.  I know you aren’t stupid (obviously you aren’t), so I don’t mean to sound like I’m beating a dead horse, but it sounds like this is how your dog is behaving.

Almost always, warning signs ARE present, even if it’s not a growl.  Dogs communicate with body language just as much as, if not more than vocally.  Your dog is likely tensed up, or his body is positioned in such a way displaying anxiety in a way that is not apparent to you.  Unless your dog is genuinely mentally ill/has an inbalance that needs to be fixed with medication, there is always a sign.

Muzzles are good in certain cases and necessary, but it can’t be a fix to the problem.

It sounds like your vet just kind of shrugged this one off.  Did they at least give you a referral to a good behaviorist/trainer?  You say you’ve trained her, how much do you practice (they say 6 times a day starting is ideal, and I did this with my own pup) and was it with a professional?  Was it a group setting, individual setting?  A lot of training has to do with training both dog and owner.  I think you and your Fiance need to spend the time and money getting ALL THREE of your dogs into training, together, with a professional. Ask your vet for referrals (or not, he kind of sounds like dog aggression is no big deal to him) or ask people with well behaved dogs who they recommend.

There are a lot of factors here that I don’t know about you (your behavior, do you use positive reinforcement, are you nervous around other dogs and your dog senses this and feeds off you, etc).  Our dogs feed off of what we teach them, and I was surprised after going to a professional trainer all the things I would have done “wrong” that most people do for their dogs that I know.  

I’m not a vet, but from what I understand, “dominance” in the form your dog is displaying it is not something the vet should be dismissing without at least referring you.  This isn’t normal or good.  If your dog attacks a neighbors dog, it could be your dog that gets put down.

Edit: I wouldn’t be worried about the “hiding” thing unless it was out of hand.  My lab/golden mix puppy did this all the time when she was little.  I don’t think that’s a symptom of anything in particular, unless it was excessive.

  • This reply was modified 6 years, 5 months ago by doglover89.
Post # 3
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: May 2014

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becomingsumner:  That’s a very tough one. I have one dog I need to watch a lot, too. He hasn’t ever actually attacked, but he wants to. If I were you, I would definitely hire a doggie behaviorist. We had one come to the house ourselves. Try to find one who specializes in aggression. My dog was put on prozac, but he had side effects so now we are looking for something else. Good luck, I feel your pain.

PS- definitely feed the Golden in a separate place away from the other dogs. I do that with all my dogs, just in case.

Post # 6
151 posts
Blushing bee
  • Wedding: October 2016

It’s called resource guarding. And it’s exactly what she’s doing.

Just because she doesn’t act that way with humans, doesn’t mean that she won’t with dogs. Aggression towards dogs does not mean aggression towards humans. They are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

 And, dogs VERY seldomly attack without any warning. You almost certainly don’t know how to spot the non verbals your dog is giving off, but she is. Sometimes they are small and you’ll need the help of a professional to spot them.

Do not feed them together, do not give toys together, do not give treats together. You’re setting her up for a disasterous situation.

  • This reply was modified 6 years, 5 months ago by greenmile12.
Post # 8
151 posts
Blushing bee
  • Wedding: October 2016

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becomingsumner:  No worries! Resource guarding is manageable and trainable – so that’s good news ๐Ÿ™‚ There’s plenty of information about it online, and a behaviourist would be really beneficial to you! Even just reaching out to am obedience trainer would be helpful. 

Post # 9
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: March 2016

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becomingsumner:  Don’t feel embarassed – most people never tell you the bad stories (because they feel it makes them look bad).

Here is a somewhat similar issue I had with one of my dogs a few years back: so I had my little girl Mary Jane Watson (a Staffy weighing about 30-35 lbs.) prior to meeting Fiance. When she was about 3.5  (about 2 years later) we decided to get another pup so she could have a companion and that is when we got Dr. Bruce Banner (a Thai Ridgeback/German Shephard full grown 95-100 lbs.). I will admit my lttle girl is a rough player and this could have had something to do with it. . . so after about a year of Banner being full grown we began noticing a knick here or there when we got home maybe once every two weeks, but the pups never seemed to be upset with each other so we just chalked it up to rough play. . . a couple of months go by and suddenly we are noticing deeper cuts and it is becoming more frequent. . . but again they never seemed to be upset and her being my tough little cookie never seemed to pay any attention to the cuts. . . however obviously we are quite concerned at this point though we have still to this day (had him for 5 eyars now) yet to ever witness anything. Well the straw broke when she got a cut/bite on the back of her head – it wasn’t that terrible and was healing just fine but then she scratched it open very very wide (I’m sure it was itchy). . . luckily it didn’t need stitches but the location made it hard to heal as it was on the nob on the back of her head. . . again throughout all of this they never were upset with each other or agressive with each other; in fact, we actually had her wearing a cone while her head healed and tried to keep them seperated during the day and she would always manage to find a way out of her space so she could be with her brother. . . so long story short Banner wore a harness (a gentle leader – soft material and he could still open his mouth enough to eat and drink) for a few months if we were away. He hasn’t needed to wear it for quite some time now and we haven’t had an issue since.  

The thing we believe was happening (vets and trainers couldn’t really help with this since it was never witnessed and the dogs were never upset or agressive) was Jane’s favorite game is ‘keep away’ essentially she will stand with her butt facing you while holding a toy in her mouth the second you reach for the toy she turns her head the opposite direction – so if this is how they were playing and the big guy went to snag the toy and she turned her head at the last second he would hit the side of her head. So we eliminated all of the ‘one pup play toys’ like balls and kongs and what not; which seems perfectly okay with them becuase they love tugging on their ropes together.

I know it’s hard when our pups act out (sometimes it is harder than dealing with a child in that the dogs don’t understand what we are saying nor can they tell us what is going on) and we take that upon ourself. don’t beat yourself up about it.

I don’t have any surfire solutions, but i know if your pup has anxiety Thunder Shirts work wonders for many dogs. My little one used to have seperation anxiety and the Thunder Shirt really helped calm her down – she doesn’t need it at all anymore. Another thing I would recomend you talk about with either your vet/trainer/specialist is possible valerian root – it is an all natural root that aides in calming ones self of anxiety. I actually used to take it for insomnia I was having and I have used it with the pups before – just make sure to get the okay from the vet and to ensure the right dosages (though they do make it specifically for dogs as well – but you can buy it at your local grocery/drug store); as a side note, there are two types 1. valerian root and 2. valerian root extract – one is just more concentrated so the dosages are quite different between the two.

I hope some of this helps. I am sorry that you are going through this, but we are here to talk with you in case you need to vent about your frustrations in this situation. Know you are not alone, just no one wants to announce their missteps in pet-parenthood; like raising a child no parent is going to say when their child earns a poor grade, but they will always discuss good grades.

Post # 10
162 posts
Blushing bee
  • Wedding: October 2015

I don’t have any experience with this issue but I do think goldens are more timid than people realize. Mine are both very submissive and I have one that is a nervous pee-er. Strangers can’t pet her without her peeing on the floor. And yes we socialized her and went through training too. So I totally get having to avoid strangers with my pups. Good luck with this issue. I’m sure she is a wonderful pet otherwise! 

Post # 11
966 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2015

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becomingsumner:  My FI’s lab cross is exactly the same!

She graduated puppy school, was well socialised as a puppy and had two doggy best friends at his mums house (where he lived at the time, she’s 7 now)

They would play, and she was not overly dominant and pretty cruisy.  One day, after over a year of her living with them she just snapped and attacked the other dog for no reason.  Thankfully he was okay after thousands of dollars in vet bills.

We bought a puppy for her to have as a friend when we felt bad that we were working longer hours.  She was best friends with the puppy for six weeks, until she just snapped right in front of us and attacked.  the puppy was sleeping when she attacked, and not getting any attention or anything.  We chose this puppy specifically because he was really cruisy and submissive without being anxious.  Luckily we were there, and my Fiance stopped it immediately, but we had to rehome my puppy who was gorgeous ๐Ÿ™ We had a serious chat about putting our lab down as we were nervous about her being dangerous, but in the end decided we couldn’t do it, and we would just have to be super responsible with her.

She only gets walked with muzzle and choker on (don’t use the choker attached to the leash, it just sits loosely around her neck, but it can be grabbed if it was required.) and doesn’t get to go camping or leash free parks or any of that fun stuff ๐Ÿ™ 

She is beautiful with children (though i’d never leave them alone) and great with most adults.  She is a warm friendly loving dog when not around other dogs.

She is also very anxious, doesn’t like moving house or anything.

We were advised from the above, that she has a genuine mental disorder, just like humans get.  We didn’t put her on medication, because we don’t trust it for a pet as she doesn’t get to say how she feels, but we monitor her closely and give her lots of love and cuddles.

I’m sorry you are going through this, and you’re not alone! 

Post # 12
490 posts
Helper bee

Call cesar milan or send her to a home without other dogs and be honest about her dog agression.

Post # 13
119 posts
Blushing bee
  • Wedding: July 2016

I don’t have the resource aggression at my house, I do have a dog that isn’t a fan of very many other dogs. He has bad knees, so doesn’t like jumpy dogs. He also doesn’t like barky dogs. He is very calm and has to be approached by calm dogs. I have learned it isn’t in his best interest to go to dog parks, doesn’t want to play with other dogs. I also know he doesn’t enjoy going out to pet stores. He gets too overwhelmed. When he goes to day care, he plays by following the people.  He also hangs out with two old dogs. (My dog is only 4) If people come up to us on our walks and want to introduce their dog, it has to be done with a proper introduction, not just the dog or the person running up to him and getting in his face. I have learned the issues my dog has, and has accommodated them. I love him beyond words, he is a great people dog, he is good with kids and loves my cats.

Not sure my point other than to just tell you that once you find out what works, work that thing and eliminate all things that brings unnecessary stress to the baby.

  • This reply was modified 6 years, 4 months ago by jamk.
Post # 14
1186 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2015

Omg, my 11 month old golden has had aggression problems since he was 3 months. We aqquated it to being the runt of the litter. He stopped forever until lately he tried biting me while we were playing with toys. It’s SO SO uncommon with goldens!!! I don’t have much advice besides when he freaks on me I back off & DH yelled at him. When he’s aggressive with others we yell so loud it scares him so bad he stops. Good luck bee. goldens are an amazing breed.

Post # 15
1157 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: June 2016

Ohhhh, man. I just want to snuggle your poor puppy. Hopefully you get her issues resolved.

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