Georgia's new "heartbeat" bill? Thoughts?

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Post # 106
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: April 2018

I am mostly pro-life. I think this bill gets extreme when it comes to the punishments and the whole situation with miscarrages, but in general, I think tougher laws about abortions are necessary. 

As the odd one out here, I’m a Conservative and I lean Republican in most cases. The way that women use abortions as birth control is very bothersome to me. Our nation needs to be more focused on getting the right birth control options to our women. 

I chose to wait until I was married to have sex, and while I know that most women do not share my views, I do think that women need to realize that sex is going to risk pregnancy every time. If you choose to have sex, then you need to accept the responsibility of carrying a child in the chance of pregnancy. Waiting until marriage (or in someone else’s case, waiting until they were able to provide for a child), is not impossible. I’ve done it, and therefore, I have a hard time sympathizing with those who are being very lax about their sexual activities.

I fully understand that there are different opinions and I respect that. However, if a woman is going to take the risk, she needs to accept the consequences.

That being said, I do think that this bill is likely not the best way to deal with this issue. Tackling it from the prevention (birth control) end is the better option.

Just as an aside, I find it so fascinating to see all of the comments about how the US is falling apart because of these republican/conservative influences. While at the same time, those of us who are Conservative, feel exactly the same way about the Liberal influences. We’re all just so frustrated with one another when I think we all need to agree that we need to fight back against the extremists in both directions. 

Just thought I’d share my opinion since it wasn’t represented very much in this thread yet.

Post # 107
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Bumble bee

happiekrappie :  I know YOU know this by the way, wasn’t trying to condescend, just stating for the people in the back. 😊

I’m with you. Not surprising at all but even still, each new offense still makes my head spin and my blood boil. 

Post # 108
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Bumble bee

emily1030 :  Just curious why you think that we need stricter abortion laws now, a time when abortion rates are at a historic low?

I get that you are anti choice at the core (witch some modest exceptions it sounds like) I’m not trying to talk you out of that specifically.  I’m just curious what makes this legislation worthy of law makers time right now, especially considering the shameful maternal mortality rate in this country, and particularly in Georgia and Alabama?  And the poverty? Child hunger?  Poor education? Lacking healthcare and access to family planing services and birth control?

Why pursue these extreme abortion bills while abortion rates are lower than they’ve ever been?  

Post # 109
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: April 2018

wildflowerz :  Basically, I do not think that a woman should be allowed to have an abortion just because she “wants” to. If a woman has an unwanted pregnancy, there should be more sources of support for her to continue through the pregnancy and then choose adoption if she wishes. However, like I said before, ideally, I think we need better access and education regarding birth control to prevent these situations from the start. I do believe that a fertilized egg is a human and I believe that ending its life should not be viewed so lightly.

Also, like I said before, I do think that this legislation is extreme and too harsh. I agree with you on that. But I do support more discussion and potential laws that continue to reduce the abortion rate.

Child hunger, poverty, education, lack of healthcare – I absolutely believe that these are issues and should be dealt with immediately as well. I understand that if we fix these issues, the abortion rate will likely continue to fall. However, I do not think that we should accept abortion as a woman’s choice when she is perfectly capable of carrying a child and was aware of the consequences.

Post # 110
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Helper bee

Georgia also has one of the highest maternal mortality rates (as a state it rates pretty low for health care overall). 

I feel for the women in these states that are being told they matter less than a possible person. Pregnancy and birth can do horrible things to a woman’s body and psyche and those things aren’t always reversible. 

Less importantly, being an unwanted child can be a horrible thing for a child. Not every child can be adopted into a loving home. Some abortions are done because the child will just be born to suffer. Not every life is worth living. 

These bills are not based on logic or science, but rather emotions of poorly educated persons who view women as less than. 

The ACLU is preparing their lawsuits over these bills. 

I’m scared for when these things go to the Supreme Court.

 

Post # 111
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

seraphina :  I had an ectopic pregnancy as well and this bill is horrifying. The Ohio bill is laughable as it states the embryo can be removed from the tube and implanted in the uterus! Ummmm that is definatly not soemthing that can be done or I sure would have done it! I’m sorry you had to go through an ectopic. It is awful. I was so grateful my doctors were allowed to terminate before my tubes burst. Especially because as you know in that case the pregnancy cannot be saved. 

Post # 112
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Blushing bee

People using abortion for birth control is not a thing. Thank you for being pro-choice but please don’t spread that idea!

pinkcorsage :  

Post # 113
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2018

emily1030 :  What are your thoughts on married couples who do not wish to have children at all? Is your opinion that they should remain abstinent?

Post # 114
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: October 2018

emily1030 :  Just looking for friendly insight exchange-

Im curious to what you’d think about my situation.

I am married, in a very loving and monotonous relationship. My husband and I decidedly don’t want children, ever.  I can’t use hormonal birth control due to the side effects it has on me. My husband and I use condoms when we are intimate- however there was a time we had one breal (did not get pregnant but the risk was there!!!). No doctor will touch me to do a permanent tubal ligation until I’m 35 (I’m 28).

I know you said you don’t sympathize with women who don’t wait until marriage or have sex carelessly, what about in my situation? Are my husband and I supposed to be celebate instead of assuming that pregnancy risk? How is that fair? Sex is a biological imperative. 

I’ve never had an abortion nor do I ever want to have one- but if I needed to I would prefer the option be there. I work with children, often foster children, and the ones that actually work out and have good lives are the sprinkles on the ice cream cone. I would never subject a child to that by choice, and without the option of abortion, that leaves me to forcibly go through a pregnancy I don’t want, take care of a child I don’t want, and change my entire life.

Post # 116
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: April 2018

thefuturedrat :  

 

Really not trying to start an argument, but just curious. Isn’t birth control the act of controlling if you have a child? So if you’re chosing abortion just because you don’t want that child, isn’t it pretty much the same thing? I’m actually genuinely curious what you think.

Post # 117
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Helper bee

emily1030 :  

What is the plan for all the unwanted children in foster care now and for all those that anti-choicers want to be dumped into the system? 

Will the modern republican really get behind a more robust welfare system to help all these children they want to force into the world? 

Will women get continued health care for any of the permanent mental and physical traumas that pregnancy/childbirth can cause? 

Will the modern republican really support a more robust healthcare system? 

 

Post # 118
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: April 2018

NikkiBee18 :  

Good question. Thats a more difficult situation to think through. But my hope would be that they would consider some kind of permanent birth control like a vasectomy. If they do not wish to have children, then I do not think that they should put the woman’s body at risk of pregnancy with the thought that they could just terminate if needed. It doesn’t seem right to me.

Post # 119
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: April 2018

otterbee :  

In your case, I absolutely think that your doctor is in the wrong here. If you know that you do not want children, you are plenty mature to make that decision for yourself. Your doctor shouldnt be the one to decide that for you. This is where I fully support the respect for women and their body choices, because there is not another life involved here. This is your body and your choice to not have children. In fact, if you made the choice to have the procedure or your husband had a vasectomy, that is actually the ideal choice because it reduces the case of unwanted children.

And in regards to the foster care system and cases of adoption being really awful situations for these children, I definitely hear you there, which is why I think the improvement of those systems need to be top priorties in our country. I believe women with unwanted pregnancies should be able to feel like they had a safe place for their child to be brought up.

Post # 120
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Buzzing Beekeeper
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emily1030 :  The phrase “the way women use abortions as birth control is very bothersome to me” implies that women are just going out and having unprotected sex, and then having abortions willy nilly every time they get pregnant. That’s not a thing. Not to mention about half of women getting an abortion were using birth control at the time.

I’ve used misoprostol for a missed miscarriage, and I assure you no one would want to go through that once, let alone repeatedly. 

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