Georgia's new "heartbeat" bill? Thoughts?

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Post # 121
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2018

emily1030 :  I think the problem with this kind of thinking is that it doesn’t allow for women to be actual human beings who have medical issues or financial problems or who make mistakes. Or who have their choices taken away from them.

So to use myself as an example again, my husband does not want to have a vasectomy and women my age have trouble obtaining tubal ligations (I’m 29). So in your view, if I cannot secure a permanent form of birth control, I should abstain from having sex with my husband in order to avoid the .01% chance that my birth control will fail. Or I can carry a fetus to term and give it up for adoption. The problem with that scenario is that I also have clinical depression and the kind of anti-depressants I’m on cannot be used while pregnant which means that in order to carry a fetus to term and give it up for adoption I would have to put my own life at risk.

Post # 122
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: April 2018

APancakePrincess :  

Unfortunately, I can not answer whether or not the Republican party as a whole will work to improve the foster care system, healthcare and support for those women who went through with the pregnancy. Those details are not my area of experise. However, I think all of them are extremely important and I support them fully. Both preventing unwanted pregnancies and providing the right care and support for the mothers and children resulting in them should be where our focus is. However, if so many of us just focus on abortion being a quick fix, and we don’t have some sort of laws regarding it, I don’t think a lot of people will feel the need to improve those systems, because abortion is the easy quick fix.

Post # 123
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Buzzing Beekeeper
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Disagree with your stance but I do agree with you that we need to make birth control more accessible to women and men in addition to strengthening sexual education.

 

emily1030 :  

Post # 124
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: April 2018

Westwood :  I understand that, and I didn’t mean to imply that it is a super common occurance. Really, my thought was that it just bothers me that women feel that it’s ok to have an abortion as a fallback option if their original birth control doesnt work or if they just chose not to use any. It just surprises me when women think it is an approprate option.

Post # 125
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Busy bee
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emily1030 :  “abortion is the easy quick fix”   Do you really believe women who have abortions consider the choice a quick easy fix?  Quick-dry topcoat is a easy fix. 

Characterizing the process of terminating a pregnancy as a “quick easy fix” is incredibly wrong-headed.

Post # 126
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: City, State

Do you have children? emily1030 :  

Post # 127
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Buzzing bee

emily1030 :  But my hope would be that 

Not to nitpick this line but, hoping and wishing isn’t getting us anywhere. Not in the abortion debate, not in regards to extreme legislature, not really anywhere.

I get it, I do. I was you about 5 years ago– conservative Christian from a small southern town in podunksville, USA. And to be honest, those roots run deep and politically, I don’t know what the hell I am half of the time.

But as someone who knows where you’re coming from– you’re being a judgmental you know what. You waited until sex for marriage, that’s awesome. Have you ever had to make the decision on whether or not to continue a pregnancy due to rape? Or poverty? Or lack of education and access to birth control? Or because you’re married but the condom broke? My guess is… you haven’t. Have you ever had a miscarriage after trying for a child? How would you feel sitting over a toilet waiting for clots to pass only to be then questioned by your healthcare provider as to why last week you were pregnant and this week you aren’t. 

If your faith keeps you from getting an abortion, as mine does, then by all means– don’t get one. But why are Christians so hell bent on mixing faith and government? The real irony is that same combination (faith +government) is the cornerstone of the group of people they’re all so terrified of in Islam. Conservatives will rally to send barely of age kids to the far corners of the world to fight evil oppressors who do the very thing *their* leaders are doing… mixing faith and government to an extreme.

You can choose to not have an abortion for yourself, allow that choice to have one by others be an option– and still not compromise any of your morals, you know that… right? 

Post # 128
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: April 2018

NikkiBee18 :  

Ok, a few things here, all just my opinion. Trying really hard not to offend.

My personal opinion is that if your husband does not want to have a vasectomy, then he needs to either A: prepare himself for the possibility of a child, or B: not have sex. Sex was designed for reproduction (yes enjoyment as well). I think we need to accept that as both men and women. It’s just a fact of life.

And in regards to your inability to get approval for a tubal ligation, I think that is so sad for you and that issue needs to be fixed. That is not ok.

In regards to your depression medication and the possibility of putting your life at risk, one of the few instances where I do think abortion is necessary is if the mother’s life is at risk. So in that case, I would see a possible reason to be approved for abortion.

Post # 129
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: April 2018

coffeecakez :  

My apoligies if that word choice was offensive. I did not mean it that way.

Post # 130
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: April 2018

slomotion :  

Thanks! Yes I think those are very important issues that should be focused on.

Post # 131
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: April 2018

slomotion :  

I do not have children yet. I have been married for a year now. Planning on children in another year or two.

Post # 132
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: City, State

I only ask because a lot of the women I meet who are pro-life don’t have children and have never gone through the process of pregnancy and child birth. I often wonder if after experiencing it themselves they may find they feel differently about it all.

 

emily1030 :  

Post # 133
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Bumble bee

emily1030 : 

1. Abortion used as birth control is a myth, it’s not real.  The fact that the abortion rate is at an all time low makes this narrative impossible.  

2. The majority of women that undergo abortion procedures are mothers.  Many are married.

3. You said that you’d like to see abortion rates even lower.  Sure, that’s great.  What does banning it have to do with that?  Answer: nothing.  Abortion bans do not reduce abortion.  Abortion bans make abortion dangerous for women, they cause injury and death from botched back alley abortions.  And guess what?  The embryo or fetus is still aborted.  Now you’ve lost the the embryo/fetus and the woman, who is likely already a mother and leaving children behind.    

4. “I fully understand that there are different opinions and I respect that. However, if a woman is going to take the risk, she needs to accept the consequences.”  I notice you only speak of women, and “she” needing to accept consequences for “taking the risk”.  What of the men?  Every single unplanned pregnancy is caused by sperm.  Which comes from men.

5. Your concern with abortion seems to be tied to your belief that people (women, specifically) have too lax of attitudes regarding sexual activity which would fall under the category of your religious beliefs.  And you can have at that, that’s your right to live your personal values and to privately judge others all the live long day (I mean, we all do in some way or another).  But no one person or religion gets to subject others to their religious beliefs, it is unconstitutional.  “Lax attitudes on sexual activity” is subjective.  It should never be up to state lawmakers to legislate the sexual activity of consenting adults.  Also, it will never work.  People that want to have sex are going to have sex.  Have stonings stopped adultery in oppressive theocratic societies?  I think not.  Women accused of adultery are still getting stoned.  Accused homosexuals are still getting pushed off rooftops. 

6. Regarding those perceived lax attitudes regarding sexual activity: sexual activity itself is also at a low point in this country.  Another fact that is incompatible with your assertion, just like the abortion as birth control myth.  

      

Post # 134
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Busy bee
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emily1030 :  “Sex was designed for reproduction (yes enjoyment as well). I think we need to accept that as both men and women. It’s just a fact of life.”

NO. We do not “need to accept that”.  YOU believe sex was designed by an intelligent creator for the purposes of procreation and recreation.  The fact is that pregnancy is one possible outcome of fertile people having sex. It isn’t even the most likely outcome. There is a difference between your faith and fact. 

There are people who believe women exist for the purpose of childbearing. That childbearing is one path a woman’s boday can take doesn’t make fact out of faith. 

Post # 135
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: May 2016 - Sussex, UK

slomotion :  Has your stance changed since having children? Just wanting to know where you are coming from with the question.

We have unexplained infertility, trying for a lonnng time but in that time I’ve had two friends who’ve had abortions and it was right for them. I don’t relate it to our own difficulties.

ETA: Saw you already responded @slomotion.

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