(Closed) Girlfriend Upset About Crating Dogs

posted 4 years ago in Pets
Post # 2
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: November 2015

Can you lock them in a non carpeted room? I’m very anti kennel too, but that’s just me. When my dog was a smaller pup, we kept them in the kitchen only. It was easier on accidents too. Have you looked into puppy pads? They may not work since your one dog is a shredder, but possibly an option.

Post # 3
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Helper bee

crtrprtr:  a friend of mine would bring their dog to doggie day care on Tuesdays and Thursday’s, and the dog would often be tired into the next day from so much play. Could you guys cut back on spoiling with toys and treats to spoil with sporadic day care? Even starting with just Wednesday’s. Most places have multiple dog discounts and you can buy days in bulk for a discounted daily rate. I personally feel that if they’re crated all day and all night thT is way too much crate time.

Post # 4
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

There are a few issues at play here. The first is that her dogs don’t view the whole house as home, because they’ve spent most of their lives in the crate. They ARE potty trained, otherwise they’d go in their crates too. They’ve learned not to go in their “home”. Unfortunately, they’ve been taught that only their crates are home, not the whole house. They spend what, 16 hours a day crated?  (Assuming 8 while you’re at work, 8 overnight).  That’s home for them. You’re going to need to train them from scratch. It can be done, at any age.

The second issue is hours in the crate, and your Girlfriend has a valid point, that they should be let out during the day. Daycare is expensive, but a dog walker usually isn’t nearly that expensive. You can hire someone to walk the dogs over lunch, get them some exercise/play time, and crate them when she leaves. 

You can cut down on some of their optional expenses to cover the cost. Don’t buy treats for them. Bake a plain chicken breast in the oven, shred it, and keep it in a Ziploc in the fridge. Cheap, healthy, and a little goes a long way. Toys don’t have to be expensive either, and they don’t each need a brand new toy every month. Tennis balls are cheap, and make for hours of play time.

 

Post # 5
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: January 2015

How can she have dogs that old and she’s never taught them to be toilet trained!? That’s insane. 

We crate our 9 month old Swiss Shepherd while we are at work, because she is still in a very destructive phase where she tears up the couch etc. However, we make sure to go home at lunchtime and walk her and come home straight after work.

Not to be rude, but I really think it is her fault since she hasn’t trained them properly to be out of the crate. Can you offer to get a trainer in to help teach them some better behaviour? Otherwise I really don’t see a solution as everything you’ve said has made complete sense.

 

Post # 6
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: December 2017

MariContrary:  I like this. A very wise response.

Honestly crtrprtr, your post broke my heart. There is so much wrong with what you said that I don’t know where to begin. It probably boils down to ignorance, but crating those dogs for the reasons and lengths of time that you are is cruel.

PLEASE do some reading. Read about crate training, when they should and shouldn’t be used, and learn a bit more about dogs too. Dogs that are forced to hold their bladders and bowels often will but it’s not good for them. No wonder they mess in the house when they’ve not been toilet trained and don’t get adequate bathroom breaks. You’re risking their physical and mental health by doing what you are. It’s not okay. They absolutely have to get out during the day, and you have to stop crating them for as long as you are.

There is a reason people who are out of the house for hours on end cannot keep pets. You have to change your habits, because unless you do I’m not sure dogs are for you either.

Get some advice. Speak to people. Buy books. Buy magazines. Use Google. Invest time and money. Money! Even if it’s tight, they’re worth it. They’re depending on you to look after them properly. Learn to be responsible dog owners. 

Post # 7
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2016

Ditto on the dog walker. Pay someone to come let them out each day using the money you will save by not buying the dogs anything besides food. 

Post # 8
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

Something that I forgot to mention is that the destructive behavior is often a sign of boredom, and lack of exercise. Teething as a puppy is one thing, and that’s normal. Kong toys put in the freezer for a while, smeared with a bit of peanut butter works wonders for teething puppies 🙂 

However, adult dogs without dental problems chewing up the furniture and destroying things is problematic, both for you and the dog! It can be separation anxiety, boredom, or a lack of attention. Crates, when used correctly, can help with the anxiety, and so can certain medications (see your vet). But more often, they just need physical and mental stimulation. They’re dogs, and they were bred to have a job and a purpose. Beagles hunt, small dogs are companion/alert breeds. That doesn’t mean you have to go hunting with them, but you do need play that gives them a purpose. Go in the backyard and play fetch, find the toy, or take them for a run! Think about how you feel after you’ve been at your desk all day, you want to get out and stretch your legs, right? Same thing for them. 

Post # 12
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Busy bee

 The way you word it, it sounds like their spending more time in a cage than out. Not really too fair to the dogs…

What’s your nighttime routine? Does everyone get a long walk and mandetory poop/pee before coming inside for the night? What is the cost to have a dog walker come in around lunch time and take them out? What is your house layout like? Can you block off one room to be a “dog room” with nothing that can be shredded/easy cleanup incase there are accidents while getting the training down? Have you looked into HIRING a professional trainer/taking them to a trainer? Have you talked to their vet about the problem? What does the vet suggest?

 

Post # 13
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2017

If they get into trouble outside the crate, the crate is the safest place for them while you’re gone.  9+ hours is too long for a dog to be crated on a regular basis though. Our dog is 18 mos and is still working on chewing issues so we have to keep her crated while we’re at work.  What we do is take her to a doggy daycare once a week and have a dog walker come in the middle of the day the other days to break it up for her.  The doggy daycare in particular is a lifesaver.  She’s so wiped out afterwards she doesn’t even have the energy to be bad lol.  Definitely look into it.

Post # 14
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

For retraining, you effectively treat them like they’re puppies again.  First, clean EVERYTHING with an enzymatic cleaner to get every trace of the scent out. If they smell urine/feces in an area, they’ll think that’s the right place to go. Even if you can’t smell it, they probably can. Once that’s done, the training begins!

Take her out, when she goes potty outside, get your ridiculous high pitched voice going, and do the “good girl!” thing several times, and give her a treat, just a teeny piece. If she doesn’t go, that’s OK. Just go back inside. If she even looks like she’s THINKING of going, run her out.  If it’s been a while, take her out. You’ll get a lot of exercise 🙂

If you see her squat and start going in the house, say “NO” firmly, but don’t yell. Grab her and take her outside to finish. Repeat. A lot. It’ll take a few weeks usually, just like for puppies. They learn from each other, so consistency is key. You can train then both at the same time, and they’re small, so it’s easy to just pick them up and take them out.

Another thing that can help is keeping them close to you when you’re at home. Get a long leash, put it on her, and hook it to your belt loop. That way, she can’t run off and go to the bathroom without you seeing. You can react faster, and break the bad habits.

Post # 15
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: July 2016

There’s nothing wrong with a crate.  It’s how you use it. You should make it be like the dogs room their own little area for them to go into and relax.  Never ever ever for a punishment.  We ususally have the doors open and they ususally wonder in there when they feel like it.  Two of our 3 sleep in crates overnight.  But they are out and running all day long outside.  I wouldn’t crate a dog all day long, if they aren’t housebroken you need to try to find a way to go and walk them and train them.   

Need to let dogs be dogs and have fun. And as others have said destructive behavior is because they are bored, let them all play together and tire each other out.  Get bones or indestructable toys and let them play.  You can get marrow bones at the grocery store and freeze them and give one to them frozen and that should last them a few hours as a treat etc.  Never give rawhide ever though or a cooked bone as it can splinter (or make a pointy edge as with the rawhide) and can hurt the dog badly.

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