Post # 1
I’m so upset. I went through the final round with a company and I just got off the call with the hiring manager, basically saying that they were really impressed with me but isn’t going to move forward because they can’t meet my salary expectations, even though I had told him in the beginning that I am flexible. It’s for a contract role, and the reason why I aimed a bit higher was due to it being contract, with no benefits.
I should have reiterated that I would be flexible while on the phone with him, but I was too shocked to say much really, since I was almost sure I was one of their top candidates. I now see the role reposted, despite them telling me that they were evaluating me against other qualified candidates, some more senior even that would justify the “higher” hourly rate.
I’m really upset.. why didn’t they counter?! I was willing to take a lower range due to meeting with everyone on the team and they seemed to have a very solid team culture, which is something that’s so important to me.
Should I bother to write to the hiring manager.. or is this a lost cause and move forward?
Post # 2
This is probably not what you wanna hear (or read rather) but honestly I think the manager just gave you an excuse. If they really wanted to hire you then I’m sure they would have found a way, whether it’s offering a little less and adding a sign on bonus to help compensate or whatever. Especially since they reposted the job. I think it’s pretty common for a job prospect to give a number higher than the average and for the company to counter offer. From what I understand, it costs a lot of money for companies when hiring.
So sorry about this. I know how it feels to not get a job you really thought you would’ve gotten 😞 hugs
Post # 3
Yeah, I thought that too but I am really wondering what went wrong because during the final stage, I had to give a presentation which I felt went really well! They seemed to be super impressed. But then again, I don’t know if they actually were… it is so disappointing when I’ve put so much time and effort into this.
Post # 4
I would say at this point you have nothing, so there is nothing to lose by reaching out and offering to accept a lower figure and seeing what they can offer
Post # 5
I agree. I’d say something like “Thank you for letting me know. I really admire X Y Z about your company and would be [flexible with/willing to lower] salary ranges should I get the opportunity to work there”
Or something? Just talk up how much you want to work for this specific company and why (grow your skills, leader in the industry, etc).
Post # 6
I’m a contract recruiter, unfortunately I would say I have to agree with PP that it most likely is an excuse. It’s rare to see a company let go of a potential candidate because of their salary expectation without first seeing if they will accept a lower figure. To go back and do the entire process again when all they had to do was offer a few less bucks is not business savvy. If it’s not an excuse the hiring manager maybe new to this, new in his job, or not being advised correctly by HR.
Absolutely approach the manager to let them know you will accept a lower offer. You’ve nothing to loose and everything to gain.
Post # 7
At the final stage they would have made a lower offer instead of rejection if they wanted you. I’m sure rejection happens due to salary request but I think that is before interview process.
It happens, hope the next one goes your way!
Post # 8
It was an excuse, bee. Time to move on, don’t focus any more effort on this.
Post # 9
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I agree with PP, it sucks but if they really liked you that much they would have countered and found a way to get you on. Sorry, it’s time to move on.
Post # 10
I would move forward. IMO this company is full of shit.
This all sounds like a company that wants to pay entry level salaries for high qualifications- a company that wants a list of qualifications as long as your arm, but doesn’t want to pay anywhere near the going rate.
Say for example they listed the hourly wage at $16- $30/ hour commensurate with education and experience, this could be a misleading amount as they may not intend on paying anyone near the top amount and will claim there are others more qualified than you that could justify this amount.
So if you listed your salary expectations as $25-$30/ hour, surely they would have negotiated with you if they were willing to pay you $22-$24/ hour- if they really wanted you, they would have raised what they were willing to pay, if they were interested but had other candidates, they may have seen if you were willing to negotiate down a bit. The reason they didn’t negotiate with you or these other alleged candidates is because they want to pay someone $16/ hour but know that if they stated that at the outset, the highly qualified people they expect to work for peanuts wouldn’t apply.
Post # 11
Thank you all, I think I was super high in emotions earlier but I’m OK now and accepted that this company’s probably isn’t right for me. The final interview was 2 parts, 1st was the presentation which I am confident I did well in, and the 2nd part was a role play I had to do. They gave some real time feedback during both parts, where I received many praises during the presentation and constructive feedback during the role play(but nothing out of the ordinary or screamed “rejection”). They seemed optimistic through-out the whole interview. Maybe I didn’t do as well in the role play and they’re looking for someone to play it out *perfectly*. The only other thing that I can think of that may put them off, was responding to their question in the end where they asked how my job search was going. I candidly said I was in final stages with 2 other companies, but they are my priority company. Perhaps I should’ve been more vague, instead of making it seem like they are a “choice”?
Either way, I was definitely disappointed because the company is a pretty big brand name, but I feel a teensy bit better after reading some of their recent glassdoor reviews.. I guess they’re known for paying a bit below market, in exchange for some of the other “perks”.
Either way, I wished they countered if they were actually really interested in me, or if they rejected me for any of the reasons above.. it’s quite unfair and perhaps I missed a bullet.
Post # 12
While some places have some wiggle room for negotiation within a few dollars per hour range, maybe the salary they wanted to offer was WAY TOO LOW for what you wanted. As crustyoldbee said, you asking for say $25 and them offering you $22-23 could be reasonable, but them offering you $16 would be insane and they know you couldn’t take it. It would be an insult to you to even offer something SO much lower than your asking salary.
Depending on the job and your experience level, maybe they did really like you if you got that impression. But in their eyes, offering a great / experienced / professional candidate a sad barely living wage would be a big insult, even if you were willing to negotiate. Its rude and not professional to offer a working professional adult a teenage wage. How badly do you want this job, would you have been willing to settle for 10-20K less? Don’t sell yourself short – find a job that values you the way you deserve to be valued for your experience level.
For reference on the other side, my D.H. just got a new job. He was currently at $27 / hour and was offered 20. He responded back to negotiate saying his wife was pregnant and we couldn’t afford that much of a dip, but they loved him and negotiated up to 24 an hour so he took it. They understood he wasn’t some kid, he was an adult with 10+ years of experience about to have a child.. and they valued what he needed to survive as they thought he was worth the negotiation. You want to work somewhere that will value you!
Post # 13
I understand what you’re saying but I had told them my range in the very beginning during the first phone screen, in which the hiring manager said we can ‘possibly’ work with that. Perhaps he is new and doesn’t know the range that they can actually pay out..
Post # 14
Yeah that could be the case! I know at least in my company (large fortune 50 corporation), the hiring manager has little to do with the salary and that is mostly HR managed. Sure the manager can fight for some wiggle room, but the salary range is set by HR. Perhaps he said that without really knowing how much pull he could have with HR? Certainly not fair to you and he shoudn’t have agreed to that!
Post # 15
I agree with PPs that it was likely an excuse if your salary was more or less in line with what they were offering. In any case, I say move on!
I recently went through 4 lengthy panel interviews, and because we had talked salary, I figured we were on the same page. They offered me the position – a position with longer hours, higher level, more responsibility, etc for substantially less than we discussed (and less than i currently make). When I tried to negotiate up to my current salary so I wouldn’t lose money taking the job, they told me it was non-negotiable. One thing I did notice is that they moved the start date up by a couple weeks, likely to give them time to make another offer in the event I declined.
Excuse or not, I wouldn’t send an email. You have to know your walk away point when discussing salary and stick to it.