(Closed) Government regulating family size..

posted 10 years ago in Babies
Post # 47
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: January 2009

In terms of curbing population growth, perhaps offering a monetary incentive for people who don’t have children, or who don’t have more than one?  Or perhaps changing the tax deductions to only apply to the first child, or something like that. 

Post # 48
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: November 2011

For those who agree with gov’t regulation of the number of children, do you support abortion? Gov’t sponsored birth control?

Post # 49
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: February 2010

i never, under any circumstances, thought i would say yes to this thread. i dont think the government should be able to regulate the number of children for everyone. If your children are taken care of, whose to say how many you should have? I definitely don’t think they should be able to say citizens can only have a maximum number of children

However, i know this woman who has 6 children. The oldest is 15 and the youngest is 6 months or so. The other four are 12, 8, 5, and 22 months. The oldest 3 are in foster care and the five year old lives with her father. The woman bounces from house to house and has zero stability. She does drugs and has a felony for being caught with a crack pipe. She doesnt even have a driver’s license, much less a car. DFCS has been called several times since she’s had her last 2 children and nothing has been done. It’s really a sad situation. Her kids are just a WIC check and food stamps for her. 

I REALLY wish there was a law in place that would make it mandatory for her to be sterilized.

Post # 50
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Buzzing bee
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@Mrs. Menard to Be :  Yep, my point exactly (from an earlier post).  Something I encountered more frequently than I would have liked during my career as a social worker was a mother saying “Go ahead, take my kids away, I’ll just have more”.  Sure enough, they did.  And sure enough, we ended up with more kids in the foster care system.  Awesome. 

I don’t think a government regulation stipulating a maximum child limit is a good thing as there are plenty of good people who know how to parent their children and should have no restrictions placed upon them.   I’m just thinking forced sterilization for the incompetent parents of the world who have proven time and time again that they should not be populating the world is maybe not a bad thing.

Charles Darwin is probably rolling over in his grave, wondering how he got his theory of evolution so terribly, terribly wrong.  According to him. these people should have been winnowed out by now, but sadly, they seem to be the most fertile.  Oh Charles, how could you have led us so horribly astray? 

** please excuse the sarcasm, it’s a character trait developed after doing child protection social work for a number of years **

Post # 51
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Buzzing bee
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@shedayz:  yes, absolutely.  If people had options that were free (or at least affordable) and accessible, we wouldn’t have so many unwanted children in the world.   Problem solved!

Post # 52
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Honey bee
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@Ree723:

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@Mrs. Menard to Be :

You can’t force people to be sterilized unless it’s everyone if you’re gonna only sterilize a portion of population somone deems innaporpriate to be parents than you’re really heading towards a nazi regime.

This does not meant that sterilization should not be encouraged.  A social worker should be in the position to offer most likely a monetary reward, if the person chooses to be sterilized.  A group did this in the UK.

Post # 53
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Buzzing bee
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@abbyful: You say that like those service groups have the resources to care for these children. I work for one of those services and it kills me that these horrible people (I mean it, horrible people who abuse and neglect and permanently scar these children) ever thought it was okay to have children. And then have more children after their older children were taken away because they hurt them SO badly. I don’t think you should say SO lightly “thats what service groups are for”

 

Do I think the government should control family size? no.

Do I wish people had more sense/better hearts when creating a family? Yes.

Do I think people should waste the state’s (ie tax payers- me and you) valuable resources because you had a child that you can’t care for? (I’m not talking about poor, I talking kids who get taken away becasue their homes/parents are unsafe)?  no.

Am I going to take care of them anyways?  yes.

 

Some people suck, some people don’t deserve children, some people barely deserve life because they abuse their children/other people so horribly. Guess theres nothing I can do about it though because you can’t predict how somebody is going to treat their children.

Post # 54
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Bee Keeper
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@kingytobe – You cannot judge the tone someone uses in text. I didn’t say it “lightly”. It was intended to be said “factually”. Yes, it is important to help kids that are abused/neglected. My point was this: you can’t punish people BEFORE they do anything wrong.

The government regulating family size would be like giving someone buying alcohol a DUI as they walk out of the store to their car. Or charging a gun owner with murder just because he owns a gun. Or charging a person with kidnapping because they are walking by a playground. Or charging a pit bull owner with dog fighting just because they own the breed.

The vast majority of people don’t abuse their kids. Just the like majority don’t drive drunk, don’t murder people, don’t kidnap people, don’t fight pit bulls, etc.

I do think there should be harsher punishments for people that abuse/neglect their children; it’s usually just a slap on the wrist.

Post # 55
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Buzzing bee
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I’m probably in the minority, but I totally think the government should regulate family size. Why does anyone need more than 3-4 kids? If a family is working land they should be able to apply for more and easily be granted additional children based on needs.

 If not regulation, there should be huge tax incentives for having less children of your own (adoption is an entirely different matter- the more the merrier if a  person has the means to take care of them).

 Again, I’m in the minority, but I think there are enough idiots out there where this would help (people like octomom and the duggars should not exist). When I lived in Detroit, I watched the same cracked out prostitute get pregnant several times- I’m fairly certain her children went into the system. At some point, you should lose your right to have kids.

 

 

Post # 56
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Bee Keeper
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Do you really want the government telling you if and how many kids you can have?!

To me, that just seems way to creepy… very 1984-ish.

And what types of doors does that open? With virtually everything, more and more regulations get added over time. First it’s the number of kids, what next?  Would only people with certain IQs can have kids? Only people that make a certain salary? Only people of certain races? It’s a slippery slope.

Not to mention how do you enforce it? Take people’s kids away if they have too many? Force sterilization on people? Force abortions?

Post # 57
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Busy bee
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@Atalanta: I’m sorry, after seeing what her children go through, i do think that she should be sterilized. I understand that you can’t force anyone to be sterilized which is why i said i wish there was a law in place. Making sterilization mandatory for women like this is a lot different than singling them out for race or religion. They are neglecting their children and abusing them emotionally and mentally, if not physically as well. Having multiple children as a way to receive government assistance is disgusting. The children are the ones who suffer. Why allow that to continue?

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