(Closed) Gun control due to terrorism

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Post # 76
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Busy bee

I haven’t read any of the responses and so I’m just going to give my perspective.

America is corrupt beyond belief. I think we all know that – the US bees. It’s all about deals and money and if the president has a deal with the gun company who provides him money and support for his other endeavors, of course he isn’t going to ban guns.

But at the same time – is it really the gun or the person handling it that is at fault? You can ban guns all you want, but criminals and terrorists don’t follow laws and there is always a way to get them. Same thing with alcohol. Alcohol affects everyone different and if someone is drunk and gets in the car and kills someone, you don’t go looking to ban alcohol, you prosecute the person abusing the alcohol and making poor decision.

Look at drugs. They are illegal yet they are EVERYWHERE. Unfortunatley banning guns may not make that much of a difference as people will still find a way to get them.

Think about this – Texas is an open carry state – you can openely carry a loaded weapon and it is also one of the lowest murder rates in the country.

Quite frankly – I’d prefer open carry – if you have someone who is crazy and shooting, you would be able to stop them much faster with those people carrying than waiting for police to get there to subdue the shooter.

I definitley think certain guns should be illegal and of course we need stricter policies on who can carry as it has been shown that the screenings of applicants hasn’t been all that succesful.

Post # 77
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Honey bee
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sweetdee89 :  how would you know who the shooter was? Shots ring out, everyone raises their rifles at each other, how do you know where the shots came from?

Post # 78
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: May 2019 - City, State

Okay, let’s get a few things straight. Guns are designed to kill things. That is literally their only function – to kill things. You don’t chop down a tree with a gun, you don’t cook with a gun, it is not a tool. Guns kill people and animals, that is their sole purpose.

The comparison of guns vs cars is stupid and completely inaccurate because a car is a tool, they are designed for transportation. It is a sad side effect of cars that they can kill people, but they were not designed to kill people. 

The constitution is a living document. It was written with the hope that it would be updated every so often as the world changed. Hell – they wrote it knowing they’d have to change it in a few years. To claim that the right to bear arms is sacred…well so was the right to own slaves at one point, and people were just as passionate about that “right” too.

The second amendment was written with flintlock weapons in mind, not modern guns. Also when it was written there was no US Army – the army was disbanded after the war over concerns about a standing military body that answered to the Federal government, and the US Legion was not formed until the year after the 2nd amendment was written. At this point there was the fear that another European power would come in and try to take over and there needed to be provisions for some ability to defend themselves. I could go on, but the point is the 2nd amendment was written to accomodate problems and scenarios that either no longer exist, or would be impossible to solve by a bunch of citizens with guns.

Also nationwide restrictions or bans on guns do in fact work in every country they have been implemented in. 

Post # 79
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Honey bee
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chelbell23 :  people also lose their licenses to drive cars 🤷🏻‍♀️

Post # 80
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2019

LOL at some of the people in this thread making ridiculous arguments backed up by no evidence.

All I can say is, Canada needs to build a wall so we can keep those crazy gun-slinging Americans out. 😉

Post # 81
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Busy bee

Sansa85 :  It was a general example. Obviously a situation like the Vegas shooter wouldn’t be helpful. But the mosque is – you obviously can see who is shooting and can identify them.

Post # 82
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Bee Keeper
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sweetdee89 :  Same thing with alcohol. Alcohol affects everyone different and if someone is drunk and gets in the car and kills someone, you don’t go looking to ban alcohol, you prosecute the person abusing the alcohol and making poor decision.

Is it the same thing though?  Drunk driving was made illegal and the police use spot checks to breathalyze drivers to make sure they aren’t over the alcohol limit.  I have never once hear people rage against drink driving being banned so I don’t see how they are comparable.   People who have been caught drink driving can have their license taken off them and be banned from ever taking professional driving jobs.  We also force alcohol companies to use their own profits to promote safety campaigns for drinking.  

Many measures have been brought in to combat problems with alcohol so I honestly don’t get the link to people throwing their hands up and saying “mass shootings are awful but what are you gonna do?”

Post # 83
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Bumble Beekeeper

sweetdee89 :   You can ban guns all you want, but criminals and terrorists don’t follow laws and there is always a way to get them. Same thing with alcohol. Alcohol affects everyone different and if someone is drunk and gets in the car and kills someone, you don’t go looking to ban alcohol, you prosecute the person abusing the alcohol and making poor decision.

This is not logical. First of all, no one who advocates for gun control expects that tighter gun control will stop every would-be terrorist every time. That’s a utopian idea and is not realistic. But the statistics unambiguously show that in countries where there is tighter gun control, there is far less violent crime than there is in the U.S., and that’s a win. Are there committed psychos out there who will manage to find their way around the laws, like the guy in New Zealand? Sure, but fewer of them will succeed than in the U.S., where it is much easier to get a gun. There’s a reason why this is the first time anything of this scale has occurred in NZ, while it occurs multiple times a year in the U.S.

Second, your alcohol analogy actually proves the point you’re arguing against. We have laws against drinking and driving, and those laws have been effective in reducing the number of alcohol-related car accidents. In the same way, gun control advocates want to enact tighter laws around gun access and how people use guns, because it is a FACT that these measures will reduce (not completely eliminate, but reduce) gun-related crime. 

Post # 85
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Busy bee

I have my opinion and you have yours.

The fact of the matter is – the US is the farthest from banning guns due to it’s corruption. It’s a sad fact. I am not as familiar with NZ government structure and taking action so fast is not something that can happen in the US. Crap, nothing happens fast in the US like that.

Post # 87
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Bumble Beekeeper

sweetdee89 :  Do you ever adjust your opinions though after learning new information that contradicts what you previously believed? 

People are explaining to you why the logic you used to support your opinion is flawed, and your response remains “I have my opinion.” Ok then.

Post # 88
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Busy bee

tiffanybruiser :  People like to take things to the extreme. Banning guns all together is not something I necessarily agree with. Stricter gun laws? Oh yeah, for sure. No doubt.

I’m still for the right to bear arms. Another example for you – if a shooter were to come into my work and we had open carry, said shooter could be gunned down before anyone got hurt or prevent mass casualties.

Reality of it is, the US won’t do anything about it anytime soon. If after Sandyhook nothing was done where children died, nothing will happen soon.

Post # 89
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Honey bee
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Post # 90
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Bumble Beekeeper

sweetdee89 :  I agree with you that nothing is likely to happen in the U.S. And personally I’m not for banning all guns…I think few gun control advocates really want that. But tighter gun control would absolutely be effective. Just look around the world in countries that have tried it…the statistics are very clear.

As to your work example, maybe? There’s no way to know how that would play out because there are so many variables. But if gun access was more restricted, the shooter would have a way harder time achieving his goal.

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