(Closed) Habemus Papam!

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Post # 3
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: June 2013

I am super excited this is a lot for the new church! He is not European and he seems a lot more fit and outgoing. Something I think the church needs. I loved that article too. My sentiments exactly. I am very excited for a Spanish speaking pope as I think that it is needed since can see the impact that Latin America has had on the church over the last few centuries. I think that this will hopefully bring Americans of all nationalities closer to the Church. Time will tell.

Post # 4
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: April 2010

I saw the smoke on TV while passing the break room while leaving work today.  Just that made me excited.  I think I just trusted the Holy Spirit.  I know historically we haven’t always had great Pope’s, but the Pope’s in my life time have all by great.  Considering how public the Pope’s role is in comparison to history, its all the more important, and for that reason, I trusted.

I love that he’s from a non-european country.  Too often we do think of the Church in terms of the United States and Europe.  We confuse our values and what we see in our suburben parishes with with the world.  I do love that the article  you posted pointed out that the Church isn’t dying though the demographics are changing.  I think Pope Benedict really wanted to focus on reaching out to the nations that are losing faith.  I love the new liturigical changes and that he expanded access to the Traditional Latin Mass.  There has always been a greater emphasis on Sacred Music and what is appropriate for worship.   Justice of the Peace II paved the way for an enlivened faith within orthodoxy and Benedict matured it.  I don’t think there is anything more that a Pope could have done for those of us in American and Europe.  Certainly there are plenty who will criticize administration issues, but in regards to giving us the tools and guidence we’ve needed, he definitely did it.

I’m glad we’re now focusing more on the universal Church and being forced to acknowledge that Catholics in America and Europe are minority Catholics.  The faith no longer revolves around us, giving us the false sense that when the majority of say Americans identifying as Catholic have this view, that somehow means most Catholics in the world. 

But other than those thoughts, I don’t know a lot about him.  He looked very uncomfortable when he came out on the balcony.

 

Post # 5
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2014

@everridiculous:  I saw the smoke from my terrace and walked down to Saint Peter’s square to see the announcement.

To be honest I had hoped for someone younger and with slightly more progressive ideas, I didn’t know much about him so did some research and I feel like some of the comments he has made in the past were totally out of line. I was very surprised considering he is a Jesuit.

But I may be proven wrong and the papacy may change some of his views like it did to some extent with Benedict. 

To be honest I wish the church would re-elect someone more like Pope John Paul I, I feel like he was more open to change and keen on making the Church a more approachable and transparent institution. So sad he died 33 days after being elected.

Post # 6
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2013

@walnutgirl:  That’s interesting. I researched Cardinal Bergoglio’s past public statements and actions and found quite a few instances that impressed me. For example, he publicly chastised clergy in Latin America who refused to baptise the babies of unwed mothers. That might seem like a no-brainer in the U.S., but that’s a huge stand to take in Latin America. 

Also, being a Jesuit, he has been committed to living a simple lifestyle and serving the poor. He refused to use the limousine issued to him, instead he used the bus or rode a bike. He lived in a small apartment and cooked his own meals, refusing to live in the lavish mansion his predecessors had used. His actions throughout his life speak so much louder than his words. 

His actions and positions during Argentina’s Dirty War are up for debate. However, two of the most outspoken and liberal reformers in the Church and Latin America have come out 100% in support of his actions during this time. Basically, if anyone was to come out and not be afraid to call out the new Pope, it would be these guys. So that’s pretty telling.

Lastly, he chose the name Francis. For those of us in the Church who live out our faith by serving others and seeking social justice, this is huge. And when he emerged from the curtains onto the balcony, he wore the most simple white robes and a simple wooden cross. What a statement! Recall previous popes in all their lavish robes and ornate, gold crosses. T

Also, he asked the people to pray for HIM first! Clearly, he values the strength of people of the Church in equal or more value than himself.

It remains to be seen how Pope Francis’ actions will come to fruition and if he will seize this once in a generation chance to completely revivie the mission of the Church. I am very hopeful!!

Are you talking about Bergoglio’s opposition to same-sex marriage becoming legal in Argentina? That made my stomach turn, but I would never expect a cardinal to come out in favor of same-sex unions. Not in this lifetime, anyway. I think the most we can ask for from them is for them to focus on much more pressing issues that affect ALL people. Poverty, joblessness, lack of faith, sickness, and SERVICE! 

If the Church gets away from putting so much emphasis on same-sex marriage and abortion and instead chooses to prioritize the gospel much differently, I’ll be quite pleased.

So yeah, I’m excited and hopeful 😉

Post # 7
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

I was waiting for a thread about this. I’m marrying a Catholic, but I am a non-conformist. I really wanted a Latin American pope, and I’m amazed he’s a Jesuit. In an ideal world, I would have preferred an indigenous rights activist, but hey… nobody’s perfect, and I think he’s an awesome choice.

 One objection though… to a PP…

“I love the new liturgical changes”… I hate the new translation of the mass, for all sorts of reasons, but also because it seems to be a deliberate move away from ecumenicalism, as other churches use the old translation. I think churches should stick together more, not less… 

Post # 9
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2013

@Rachel631:  My fiance, a practicing Catholic, altar boy, student through college, etc. (I’m newer to the faith) completely agrees with you about the changes. 

If you’re into indigenous rights, you should watch the documentary “Cocalero” about Evo Morales’ successful campaign for President of Bolivia in 2005. We watched this on Netflix last week! It was a great film.

Post # 10
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2013

@KCKnd2:  Oh my, I had not seen that! How wonderful and gracious. Thank you so much for posting! 

I’m also touched by his demeanor, graciousness and clear mission to rebuild the Church. Wonderful. I really hope he rises to the occasion in action. So far so good!

Post # 11
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2014

@solidarity:  I know all these things. My best friend is a jesuit and knows him personally.

As I said I was hoping for someone who at least is neutral on issues such as contraception, gay rights…. 

What really made my stomach turn were his comments about women. Those were unescusable.

to be honest I don’t care I literally just went to see it because I consider it an histirical event, once you live in Rome it’s hard to ever have faith in the catholic church again.

Post # 12
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

@walnutgirl:  “I was hoping for someone who at least is neutral on issues such as contraception, gay rights…. ” Watcha gonna do? Such a person would never be pope. It’s sad, but it’s reality. Catholicism changes slowly.

On the bright side, at least it’s a better option than this nut-job, American style charismatic stuff…

Post # 13
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: August 2014 - Ceremony: St Patrick's Basilica Reception: Southern Cross Ballroom, Esplanade Hotel Fremantle

@Rachel631:  +1

I totally agree, this girl on my facebook had a disagreement with me about this. I simply told her the only people that should be concerned are the catholic community, (she’s an atheist) she was going on about equal marriage rights and abortion rights.

No pope may ever agree with those two issues, it goes completely against what the catholic church believes in. Just because people want those things doesn’t mean the pope will all of a sudden throw away centuries of catholic beliefs, just because people want him to.

Post # 14
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

@peacockrosebride:  I think it will change eventually… just very slowly. For example, Catholic opposition to abortion is relatively new. It used to be that abortion was fine until “quickening”, because that was when the circulation was thought to develop within the foetus (based upon the idea that “the blood is the life”… ie, life only begins after the development of an independent circulation). But, as the centuries went on, attitudes changed. Abortion also became less common over the centuries… if you read medieval texts then it was really common for all commoner women, because birth control was so unreliable. So there’s that to consider.

People change and attitudes change… just like people’s understanding of God changes between the time of Moses, the time of Jesus, and the time of Paul. The thing is… if you believe that there are inherant truths in Christianity, then which institution do you think is the best (or at least the least bad) as a vehicle to propagate them? As  non-conformist, it saddens me to say this, but only Catholicism is big enough to stand up to this insane, ultra-right wing, charismatic stuff. It may be slow to change, but at least it’s not fickle.

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