Post # 1
So my SO proposed with a beautiful ring, and I was in love! But when we got it appraised, it was worth half the value of what he paid. Essentially, he got screwed over! The ring was cut way too deep making the .75 look more like a .5. Which makes a lot of sense because I was wondering why it looked smaller and didn’t sparkle.
We returned it and decided to look for a ring together. Our budget was around 3-4k, and we found a really beautiful .88 for about 3500. The jeweler we found was very honest with us and told us that this diamond was cut a little shallow, but not enough for it to lose the light. It looked more like a 1 ct than a .88.
My question is, is it possible to have the stone cut a little shallow but still be sparkly? The .88, even though was more shallow, sparkled like CRAZY (it was a loose diamond). We can also go smaller with a better cut, but i was wondering how much different it really makes, especially if it sparkled like crazy.
What do you all think? Btw the .88 was a G color and eye clean (S1 i believe).
Post # 3
If you love it and the appraisal agrees with the jeweler, why not?? I assume it comes with some type of certification?
Post # 4
@mxnikka: My first e-ring had a 1/3 ct. (I think it was .35 actually) center stone which I think was cut a little shallow because most people (including jewelers) thought it was 1/2 ct. It was an SI1 or 2 (I forget) and it sparkled like crazy. I’d worry less about the specs and more about how it looks.
Post # 5
I think that the facets and the cut really can change the sparkle factor. I have a cushion cut pad that is very sparkly, but I did look at a much less expensive, shallow cut, garnet shade of pad that sparkled TONs more due to the round cut.
You can tell in this picture that the bottom stone (didn’t pick this one) was a sparkler!
Post # 6
If you liked it…that’s all that matters! I had a marquise cut diamond that was cut shallow…it was a half a carat, but looked more .75ct because of the cut, but it was still beautiful and sparkled just as much as a deeper cut stone.
Post # 7
make sure you take it out of the jewelry store lighting and outside. anything will sparkle under those lights! Just make sure you like it in natural lighting. I’m sure the jeweler will let you take it right outside the door if they are reputable.
Post # 8
Yes, it may still sparkle as any diamond would, but the difference between even a very good cut and an idea cut is huge. What is the actual cut grade? Who certified it? Frankly, a .88 diamond that faces up the size of a 1ct is way more than a “little shallow”.
Post # 9
Decide on getting sparkle rather than maximising size. A dull diamond is merely a pebble. Even a small sparkly diamond is a delight.
Look at the online sites such as Whiteflash, Good Old Gold, Brian Gavin and James Allan. They are all reputable.
Choose an AGS or GIA excellent or ideal cut. Get the best cut they sell. Consider Hearts and Arrow excellent cuts.
Choose I, J, or K colour. Most people cannot tell the difference between a D and an I coloured diamond once it’s set in a ring.
Choose VS2 or SI1 clarity. You cannot tell the difference between a flawless diamond and a VS2 except under x10 magnification. S1 flaws at the edge of a diamond can be hidden under a prong.
Choose the biggest diamond with the above attributes that you can get for your budget. You could then have the diamond set in a ring setting of your choice. These online sites also sell pretty ring settings more inexpensively than the average jewellers.
We had a similar budget, bought the diamond online, had it set at a local jewellers, had the whole thing valued and found that the ring was worth about £1,100 ($1,500) more than we had paid out for the diamond, the setting and the diamond postage. I’m in the UK and so this sum also had to include 20% import duty.
I have a beautiful bright and sparkly diamond.
I’m really pleased.
Post # 10
A 0.88 facing up as 1 carat is really, really shallow. Make sure you’re seeing it in lots of different lights — jewelry store lights are designed to make EVERY diamond look good. You can get a really nice ring for 3-4k, and your dollar will go further if you shop online. I would recommend looking somewhere like James Allen where they provide pictures of all the stones and will provide light performance information on request. The Pricescope forum is really useful for finding the best possible ring/diamond on your budget.
Post # 11
Thanks everyone for the resonses. I did take it outside and it sparkled like crazy! I know shallow diamonds have more light leakage than better cut diamonds, so I was really surprised. I asked the jeweler and he said not all diamonds are made the same, and this one was a gem because though it was a more shallow cut, it gave off a lot of brilliance and fire. It also sparkled more than a well cut princess that I was comparing it too.
Post # 12
@mxnikka: I would go with as high a cut grade as possible, so no I would personally not go with that stone.
Post # 13
@mxnikka: What type of certification does this diamond come with?
I used the holloway cut advisor to help me weed out the good stones from the bad stones.
The lower the score the better, but you might want to you for something in the 1.5-2 range if you are looking for size. Anything under 2 is excellent. My diamond comes out at 1.4 and it is a little fireball of light. Even at night it is crazy sparkly! It well tell you where marks are being taken off as well. All the info you need is on the gia certificate.
Good luck and enjoy shopping!
Post # 14
The jeweler himself is GIA certified and I will have to ask if the stone itself is GIA certified.
Not sure if it matters if the jeweler has a GIA certificate.
Post # 15
Run the numbers through the HCA, just to see where its angles put it. That said, many people really do prefer the look of a 60/60 stone, which is not considered ideal. As long as you are paying comparably less for the stone because it is not an excellent cut and you love the way it looks, it is fine. If you are paying the same price you would pay for a GIA certified excellent cut or AGS 0, then you are overpaying. Regardless of whether the jeweler himself is GIA certified, make sure the STONE is. He has a conflict of interest in being the seller, so don’t take his word for things. Get the certification, the angles, run it through the HCA and compare prices. With all of those things considered, if you love the stone and are getting a fair price (check the stats through Blue Nile or Whiteflash or Brian Gavin for similar stone prices), then go for it. Just don’t think the jeweler is giving you a miraculous deal, because they never are. Like the old saying goes, with diamonds you get what you pay for… or less.
Post # 16
Yeah I guess it all depends on cut and sparkle.
My main question is this: if it is TOO shallow like many of you all are saying, how does it sparkle like CRAZY? That’s one main reason I’m considering it, because it looks big, is within our budget, and sparkles so much. Not sure how, though, since according to so many, shallow stones don’t sparkle.