(Closed) Has Anyone Else Seen this Gay Marriage Video?

posted 8 years ago in Minneapolis-Saint Paul
Post # 3
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2011 - Bartram's Garden

I would be PISSED if that showed up in my mailbox.

I’m not going to go into a long tirade about religion and intolerance, but I will say that it bothers me that people/organizations/churches/whatever spend SO MUCH TIME AND ENERGY trying to stop gay marriage. What business is it of theirs? In my opinion, if someone doesn’t approve of gay marriage, then don’t get gay married! Why spend so much time trying to deny complete strangers the right to get married if they’re consenting adults in love?

Post # 4
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: December 2010

I think it’s funny that the comments have been disabled so no one would go bashing either side of the arguement!

Post # 5
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Sugar bee

I’m Catholic.  Honestly, I feel the government should only issue civil unions/domestic partnerships [for EVERYONE]–they shouldn’t have anything to do with the term ‘marriage.’  I’m not a fan of this video.  With that said, I would vote in favor of gay marriage.  I don’t let (arch)bishops or priests dictate my vote.

EDIT:  I hope you know this isn’t representative of the entire Catholic population or even all priests.

Post # 6
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

blah blah blah.  

I don’t know why I’m even listening to him!

Post # 7
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2009

First off, there is this whole focus on the function of marriage being to conceive the next generation.  News bulletin:  I am past menopause.  Regardless of whether I married a man or a woman, I was not going to be doing any conceiving.  Thus, if my same-sex marriage should have been banned, then any marriage to a man at my age should also have been banned.

More to the point, I think the church is shooting itself in the foot with this one.  There are, in my mind, two alternatives to same-sex marriage:

  1. Gay people don’t get married, but still have sex.
  2. Gay people marry opposite-sex partners, and try to be faithful to them.

Theoretically, there is also lifetime celibacy, but that hasn’t proved manageable for many people (including many priests).  If #1 is chosen, the church has no input into the decisions of gay people.  Having monogamous sex with one’s longtime partner, with whom one is raising children, is treated by the church as just as sinful as an anonymous encounter in a bathhouse.

Moreover, the unfairness of not giving gay couples the same rights as straight couples is becoming more and more evident.  If gay couples cannot marry, the only way to increase fairness is to treat unmarried gay couples the same way as married straight couples (e.g., for purposes of employer benefits).  However, treating unmarried relationships as identical to married relationships is far more of a threat to marriage than gay marriage could ever be.

If #2 is chosen, would you really want your sister to marry a gay man who was trying to be straight?  The heartbreak that results when your sister realizes he was never in love with her, and her husband realizes that he can’t manage fidelity (perhaps at a time when there are young children to consider), is again a much bigger threat to marriage than if gay people were allowed to marry each other.

Post # 8
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2011 - Bartram's Garden

@beekiss2: I do, of course!

Post # 9
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Sugar bee

@2dBride:  Honestly, I would never call someone out for something that I myself struggle with or don’t struggle with.  If someone does call someone out, then they ought to be ashamed of themselves b/c that is not what we’re called to do.  The Church says this very clearly that all sex outside of marriage is sinful (regardless of orientation).  However, I’m not going to go out and say “hey, you’re a sinner,” just as I’m not going to go over and belittle someone who “sins.” (This archbishop and I DO NOT have that right).  What I can do is express my opinion in the most loving way possible.  It’s unfair for me to say “hey, by government standards, you can’t be married.”  I don’t think that’s fair at all and I think this archbishop has done a disservice in that regard.  He should be pushing for love your neighbor, not make them feel like a horrible individual.  I am bisexual, I don’t talk about it much b/c I’m in a monogamous relationship with a man and honestly, a lot of the people that sit next to me in church believe that’s a choice.  I disagree, I believe it’s my nature, part of my essence.  I can make choices, that I have control over but to deny/ignore my nature is in my opinion wrong.  I’m a huge proponent (as is one of my priests who is also gay) for gay rights.  I feel the leaders of the Catholic Church are wrong on this position and I’m glad I can recognize that.  I’ll probably get some disagreement from some Catholic bees and that’s quite alright 🙂

Also, marriage isn’t for the sole purpose of procreation, it’s also unitive.  Obviously an infertile person would not be denied marriage and I don’t think gay people should either (with regards to the gov’t).

@sloth:  Thanks, I didn’t intend you–I just meant in general 🙂

EDIT: Hopefully, I’m not being mean.  I kind of wrote this passionately, it’s a subject I feel strongly about.  There are people in the Catholic Church that agree with my stance, just as there are people that are in other religions that agree.

Post # 10
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Sugar bee

My fiance and I are talking about this currently.  We came to the agreement, if this archbishop is choosing to publically denounce a certain senator b/c of his support of gay marriage then he should publically denounce any politician that has supported the current “wars” b/c they’re unjust or any other politician that goes “against Church teachings.”  We both agree that bishops should not publically endorse or persuade voters, that’s not their job.  Sorry, I commented again (hopefully, I didn’t upset any of you).

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