(Closed) Have you ever been fired? How do you deal with bad reviews that follow you?

posted 4 years ago in Career
  • poll: Thoughts?
    Sounds like a tough situation, and unfair too : (8 votes)
    32 %
    B, you brought it on yourself! Deal with it : (17 votes)
    68 %
  • Post # 2
    8465 posts
    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: March 2014 - A castle

    I’ve never been fired, but here’s my take on the situation.

    It sounds like everything would have been completely fine if you would have not over reacted when they had to let you go (for legal reasons). They even said you could’ve had a job there after your citizenship went through, but you “stomped out of there” and “burned your bridges.” 

    In this case, I think you should suck it up and apologize. You put in too much effort to be too stubborn to not just suck it up and apologize. I wouldn’t want to leave a bad impression on former colleagues, no matter who was at fault. Be an adult, apologize, and then look forward to getting your dream job and moving on 🙂

    Post # 3
    2945 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: May 2014

    1. You can’t be fired and expected to finish any work at home in a job where you are paid.

    2.  When you go for an interview, if it is going well, explian what happened, in detail.  That they had fired you and then expected you to handle work after being fired.  In a regular job, that is not and cannot be required (though, they can give you notice, but they have to keep paying you)  Explain that you understand it could have been handled better.  Let them know that the previous person you have worked for might not be fair in their recomendation.  There are other people that situations like this has happened to, where their prior employers are known to be vindictive.  Be upfront that you know the situation with the prior employer might not be the best.  I also have not been above leaving bad employers off my resume.

    3.   Like I said, if it was a regular job, they can’t fire you and then expect you to complete the work you should be paid for on your own time.  Since it was technically volunteering, it is a slightly different situation.  You don’t have the “I was paid for it, I’m not completeing it because I am not paid for it” part to stand on.  But you were told to stop, escorted out (though, I can see why, as I also deal with a job that has sensetive information and we have to escort all employees who are either fired or quitting off premis for thier last day)  and that you could not continue.  Why would they expect you to finish at that point?

    4.  I’m not sure who I would be writing that e-mail to.  I would probably write one more e-mail to the person but I don’t think I would appologize.  I would explain that they had told me that I was fired, and if I was a paid employee, they could not expect me to complete work after I was fired.  I would maybe appolgize that things did not work out, but I don’t think anything you did was wrong. 

    Post # 5
    8465 posts
    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: March 2014 - A castle

    aVoiceofMyOwn:  I know this is a bit off topic, and don’t answer if you don’t feel like it – but how did you make it through school and especially graduate school being undocumented?

    Post # 6
    1400 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: June 2015

    1. I’ve never been fired but I’ve always left jobs with completed paperwork. It’s just the best thing to do.

    2. I think you should do whatever they recommend you do to mend your burnt bridges. Even if you think it’s silly. In a niche field, burnt bridges will be the end of you. Heck, even when it’s not a niche field. Burning bridges is pretty much NEVER a good idea. I hire and fire employees; I also know people in other fields. Bad word spreads faster than good and if I’ve already heard about your negative attributes before I ever pick up your resume, you can pretty much count on me moving onto the next applicant. People talk, word spreads and the opinions of those people is important when it comes to employment.

    3. Was it wrong per say? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on your reporting policy (ie how long you have to complete them etc) It was an inconvenience though. Probably for several people. Even if it’s not your absolute responsibility to  accomplish something, leaving half finished worked is generally not a very appreciated thing. It’s hard to finish someone else’s reports and it’s nice to leave things wrapped up and tidy (read also: the way you’d like to find them if you happened to be the person taking over)

    Do you deserve to have your former employer call your new one? Absolutely. That’s what people do.. That’s called checking references and your reference not only has a right to, but is expected to, be honest and transparent. I want to know if I’m hiring someone who would leave a mess to clean up if things go wrong because as an employer, you absolutely CANNOT bank on an employee staying. There is ALWAYS a possibility of  them leaving on good or bad terms. Neither you, not they, can know how it will end and it’s the employers job to try to figure out what to do after.  An employee who doesn’t care enough to tie up loose ends after being “fired” might not care enough to tie up loose ends at all. I can’t predict how you will behave, all I have is your history to go on and I have other applicants in the pile who have always left jobs with completed paperwork so realistically, with all other similar qualifications, that makes a person with a better record a smarter  choice.

    #4: see number 2. I would do anything and everything possible to rebuild this bridge!

    Post # 8
    2055 posts
    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: May 2013

    I’m in charge of hiring for my group, so here are my thoughts:

    1. Have you ever been fired, and if so were you expected to “finish” any work at home? 

    I’ve never been fired.  Honestly though, it doesn’t sound like you were fired.  I understand being upset and not wanting to finish any work at home.  Pretty reasonable.

    2. What do you think I should do?  Call your old employer and apologize.  They hold all the power here, and it’s not a fair game.  It doesn’t matter if they were wrong and you are right.  You can stay unemployed and still be ‘right’ if that makes you happy.  The world is not a fair place, so you will not win in this one if you keep saying they were wrong.

    3. Honestly, do you think what I did was so wrong (not finishing reports) that I deserve to have them call my new job and tell them? 

    Eh, I don’t think what you did was wrong.  But almost all employers will ask for references, and those references usually tell the truth.

    4. Would you write the apology email and the thank you for calling email?


    Post # 9
    2879 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: May 2015

    aVoiceofMyOwn: you can’t be fired if you never had a job. (Job = paid). 

    Can you talk with the hiring manager and be open and honest with them about your background?

    you’ve achieved a lot in the face of some crazy challenges and your old workplace sounds potentially abusive or exploitative. I’d hate to see you frozen out because others can take advantage of you. 

    Post # 10
    8727 posts
    Bumble Beekeeper

    aVoiceofMyOwn:  I work in the field of volunteerism. I am guessing you are in the US so I am not sure what the regulations are around volunteer positions but here in Australia there are laws and regulations covering volunteer positions. I would assume there would be too in the US. 

    Most people assume that just because it is volunteer normal employment terms and conditions don’t apply but here they most definitinately do and I again would assume they do to some extent in the US. In particular around casework/therapy. I used to volunteer as a psychologist both in Australia and in developing countries and there was always the requirement to complete the case file on conclusion of the volunteer position. 

    I would guess that since you failed to do that, like would be expected if you left the position for any other reason, the have grounds to mention it. But I would be more concerned about the fact that they will mention that you Were undocumented and breaking the law by living illegally in the country. I am not sure many future employers would want to take on someone that has a past of illegal activity. Sorry if that sounds harsh but I am sure everyone who knew your story would be sympathetic but from a business perspective it doesn’t make good business sense to hire someone like that unless they were after a good PR story. From what I understand there are a lot of Americans that don’t feel very sympathetic towards illegal immigrants. 

    It is a really tough situation. Personally if a propective employee told me you story I would be inclined to take their struggle and determination into consideration and if they were the best qualified for the position go to bat for them. But there are a lot of people that would just hear illegal immigrant. So I would weigh up deciding if telling your story to the prospective employer would help or hinder your application. 

    I would also advise not leaving the position off your resume as a pp suggested. Given it is a niche field I would assume word would get out eventually and cause you to be fired from another position. 

    Post # 11
    770 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: September 2013

    It doesn’t really matter if you’re in the right or not (and for the record, I think you’re totally justified)…what matters is that they perceive the situation this way, and they’re your main reference. I’ve been in a similar situation myself, where a supervisor in a volunteer counseling role perceived something I did as offensive. It’s a small community of people in the field, they’ve given you suggestions on how they think you should “fix” the situation, and if you don’t follow through you’re going to look twice as bad (to them, anyway). Prove them how wrong they are by apologizing and explaining how you weren’t sure how to handle the situation and remind them of all the great work you did. Then hang up the phone and be as pissed off as you want.

    Post # 12
    1772 posts
    Buzzing bee

    While it sounds like you left enough information in the chart for someone else to sit down with it and continue the patient’s care, leaving notes undone (especially after they’d asked you several times to finish them after you left) probably wasn’t really in the best interest of the patients in your care.  You say that you’re upset because you didn’t even get to say good-bye to patients, it seems like you really care for them, and yet you made it more difficult for someone else to assume their care.  I’d be concerned if I heard that work history.   

    I understand that you were hurt, you were giving your time, and a lot of it.  They seemed very unappreciative of all your effort when they just let you go.  But, I suspect their hands were tied legally.   Sometimes sucking it up and swallowing your pride is painful in the short term, but is the best long term strategy. 

    Post # 13
    722 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: January 2014

    You got several issues going on here…

    One is that you went through school undocumented…  This fact you will find may turn some people off.  2nd, you had a volunteer position and were told not to return because you were undocutmented.  And last the volunteer place feels they are in the right letting you go and being mad you didn’t finish some reports even though you were undocumented.  It may sound like I don’t get it- but – I do get it.  

    In this situation you want to tread lightly.  It sounds like your documented now.  And as crappy as it sounds you may have to start over and forget about the volunteer placde you were at.  Or, at the very least downplay it on the resume not making it sound to major.  And no, I don’t think going back and saying your sorry will make any difference.


    Post # 14
    276 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: April 2012

    aVoiceofMyOwn:  I dont think you have to apologize, and quite honestly they shouldnt expect you to finish the job after they fired you (whilst they had a very valid reason).  Can you just ommit that reference from your resume?  

    Post # 15
    3688 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: August 2013

    It’s not like you were a volunteer accountant or a volunteer shelf-stocker at Costco — you were working in healthcare of some kind. You said yourself that your former workplace repeatedly called you for clarification on your notes and you chose not to answer. Based on what you’ve written here, it sounds like your actions negatively impacted your patients’ care and depending on what your volunteer work actually entailed, could potentially have negatively impacted their health. Those actions don’t show a lot of care for the patients, and I can understand why your former workplace would be unwilling to give you a good reference. You should be grateful that they’re giving you the opportunity to apologize and make this right — many places would take your attitude as a sign that you’re not cut out to work with patients and don’t have their best interests at heart.

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