(Closed) How is this allowed?!!?

posted 9 years ago in Money
Post # 287
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

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@mandypop:  I’m glad you know me so well that you can JUDGE my reaction to seeing someone use their EBT card at a movie theater. I wouldn’t even know what it looked like if I saw it. 

Why are you judging me judging? Huh? Judgy McJudgerson (this is meant in a kidding tone, since you can’t really tell that from reading it!)

I’m judgmental, what can I say? Has that been your issue all along? People are going to judge, you’ve got to deal. 

Post # 288
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

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@teabiscuit:  Gotcha, and on it’s face I am for the drug testing policy but it really does leave people in hanging, so it needs some work if it’s going to work.

Post # 289
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: April 2011

I totally get that some people need food stamps/welfare. SOME PEOPLE.

However, two of my best friends are cheating the system so that they can get DSHS to pay for their healthcare during pregnancy and their labor/delivery. Both of them make over 60k a year but figured out some way to cheat the system because they either aren’t offered health care or chose not to get it (didn’t want to pay the money). Stuff like this is what makes me furious…. basically I am paying for my friends who make more money than me to have their babies. UGH!

Post # 290
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2014

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@Mrs.Mittens:  Im glad you see this. And this is exactly what needs to happen, looking further into the issues. Because the general public just votes on what just looks good on the surface, which politicians often have an alterior motive for pushing,  thinking that they are doing good but just causing bigger problems.

Post # 291
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2014

Question, for all of the people who say they have friends who scam the system. Do you call them on it?

Post # 292
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

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@teabiscuit:  I was thinking the same thing!  Though I grew up in a very poor area and have a ton of friends who either grew up below the poverty line or are still teetering on the edge now, I honestly do not know anyone who scammed the system. 

 

Post # 293
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

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@teabiscuit:  Yes, after watching my roommate dump about $100 worth of steak in the garbage one night.  I just told her that it was a waste, and that she didn’t need as much as she was getting. She just gave me this entitled look and walked out.  I reported her after I moved out. I heard from her mother that she ended up getting a reduced amount each month (then proceeded to get pregnant and get all that money right back!).

Post # 294
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2011

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@mandypop:  Atleast from what I can tell, the person you directed your comment towards did not say any of those things you quoted (could be wrong, there’s a lot going on in this thread). That was my point.

But whatever, this thread took a nasty turn a long time ago and it’s exhausting to keep up with. Why so much back and forth? Obviously we’re (meaning either side) not going to agree so there’s no point to keep arguing.

Post # 295
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: May 2012

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@mandypop:  You’re letting emotion and circumstance overrule ethics heres.  Yes, it’s terrible for any family to have to deal with the death of a child.  I feel badly for that couple.  And yes, they do deserve a steak dinner and a night at the movies, but not using monetary assistance that’s intended to help folks get back on track.  Assistance is supposed to be provided to those in dire need of it.  If one is so financially strapped that they need assistance, then they ought not be spending extra on steak and alcohol when that money can be further stretched to provide more necessities such as an extra meal or pay off more bills.  I’m not condemning them to eat dried beans and rice because they’re on assistance.  However, the extra cost of steak can buy you an extra pound of chicken and even a cheap bottle of wine can provide a week’s worth of vegetables.  It’s not right to be spending unnecissarily with money intended to provide the basics, whether you’re just out to abuse the system or whether you’ve just experienced hardship.  

 

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@Mrs.Mittens:  I did not mention drug testing based on profiling, so yes, all applicants would be drug tested.  To me, an ideal welfare system would not be providing monetary assistance to those testing positive for drug use, but rather providing rehabilitation.  It doesn’t sit well with me when one can afford drugs, but not food or utilities.  And sure, it’s anyone’s perogative to take a toke of a friend’s joint, but I doubt any one person, poor or not, taking a toke of a friend’s single joint will only be a one-time joint smoker who only smokes other people’s weed (unless he’s got some super generous weedhead friends).  Plus, weed doesn’t stay in your system forever, so Mr. Weedhead will not starve forever.  He will only be hungry for a few months at most.  And if he’s got friends nice enough to let him smoke their joint, I’m sure they’re also nice enough to spare some food… I digress.  Point is, if you got money for drugs, then you got money for food.  If you don’t have enough money for both, then pick one, but don’t expect me to pay for the other.  And if you can’t pick, then off to rehab you go.

Post # 296
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

Just because some one has had a bad run of luck does not mean they do not deserve certain luxuries.  If my tax dollars go to a family that is down on there luck and they buy a few movie tickets I believe that is money well spent.  These people really have to budget to afford these types of luxuries.  Some posters are making sound like these people are living these luxuries lives.  Who are you to tell people what they do or do not observe?  I have a friend who is on government assistence the other day she bought her son a toy car this brought him a lot of joy are you saying he does not deserve this?  People should try and show a little compasion for there fellow man.

There are always going to be those who abuse the system do not punish everyone for the acts of a few.

Post # 297
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2009

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@GeorgiaTeacup:   Point is, if you got money for drugs, then you got money for food.  If you don’t have enough money for both, then pick one, but don’t expect me to pay for the other. 

I agree.  I would much rather my tax dollars be spent on rehabilitation than allowing them to continue to do drugs.

I have a distant cousin who needed (and was fortunate to receive) a liver transplant years ago.  Since then, she has lost her insurance and was unable to afford the medication she so desperately needed, and now her “new” liver is failing.  She is in need of another, but cannot afford the medication, let alone transplant costs.  She does not qualify for insurance.  She has lost her job because she has been too sick to work, but her husband makes too much money for them to qualify for assistance, though they keep trying to get help.  She could very well die before receiving another transplant, and either way, her family will be struggling to pay the medical bills for years to come.

So yes, I have a problem with people who abuse the system, when other deserving people who would NOT abuse the system so desperately need help they cannot get.  I am not by any means saying that all, or most, or even a large percercentage of people abuse the system.  But to me, even a small percentage of people abusing the system when so many others needing help ticks me off.  

And I absolutely do not hate the poor.  I don’t believe I’ve seen one single person in eight pages of this thread say they hate poor people.  And to answer the question a poster brought up several pages ago, (I am sorry that I forget where it was or who asked it): yes, I donate to charity.  I donate to different organizations that benefit either people or animals.  Money is tight for DH and I right now, so we have cut back on our donations, but we still give when/where we can, and when possible, we buy from places that give back to the community so even if we cannot directly contribute, we can support places that do.  My previous job was at one such company, and I went on more volunteer outings than any other employee, (supporting Ronald McDonald House, March of Dimes, Boys and Girls Club, and many other organizations).  I really do have a soft heart, despite what many of you may think, and I wish I had more to give.  I don’t hate the poor, I hate those that abuse the system meant to help those in need.

Post # 298
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: November 2012

How did this escalate into such a heated debate?  The OP was talking about cigarettes, not about depriving small children of food.

Post # 299
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

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@GeorgiaTeacup:  @mandypop:  You’re letting emotion and circumstance overrule ethics heres. [sic]”

Ethics?  You equate draconian and arbitrary decisions about what foods are too expensive for poor people ETHICS???  F-ing REALLY? 

I am completely sickened right now. 

Post # 300
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2012

I think everyone who’s so riled up about where tax dollars are going really needs to take a step back. Like another poster pointed out, many people on welfare have paid into the system, so it’s “their” money, too, and they may not have the same beliefs you do. Furthermore, there are a lot of other things that your tax dollars are being wasted on. Anyway, did you know that half of Americans pay the other half’s salaries? Do you also want to dictate how those people do their jobs since it’s “your” precious money? I think this is a little ridiculous, and if you’re this worked up about it, you may or may not need a chill pill. Drug testing or guilting is not going to fix the system, either, so I think that’s a pretty silly argument, but seemingly it would help some people sleep at night even though it does violate liberties and would be ineffective & expensive.

Post # 301
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Bumble bee

It’s sad. A small group abusing something can ruin it for everyone. Working in an inner city school district. You see and hear a lot. It’s unfortunate, especially for the people that truly need the help and want to make their lives and their children’s lives better. 

I find it ironic that people are calling others “judgy” asking “how it is up there”. You may want to come down as well.

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