- 11 years ago
- Wedding: December 2006
I need to say as a pro wedding photographer, all you gals got lucky. Normal photographers in the biz don’t typically give out 400+ photos. And I don’t think any of you girls realize how long it takes (weeks to months) to edit that many photos. Topic Creator stated her photographer picked HER favorites with no regard to what she wanted. That is simply not true. We are using our professional opinions regarding lighting, facial expressions, story telling, etc. to give you the best photos, not just what we personally like. You have trust that we do know what we are doing. And here it is, because it takes so long to edit photos, we can’t give you a lot. And most photogs won’t show you the unedited ones because… well…you wouldn’t want to see a painting before its done would you? Basically, what you are doing is basically chosing quanity over quality when your asking for 1000 photos. Before hiring someone, try asking your photog to see someone else’s online gallery to see how many images (a wedding your size) you will receive, and ask, is this the amount I will get? Every photographer is different and so is every wedding.
In regards this: “I take about 200 photos everytime I go out with my girls for crying out loud!”
Hon, you are not taking the time to think carefully plan your shots regarding composition, lighting, and MANY other things. You aren’t dealing with metering, depth of field, focusing, external flashes. All these things take time. There is a reason why we photographers do this for a living. You going out with your friends, well, your just snapping away, so of course your going to get 200 photos in just an hour. Your photog will vary. Everyone has a different shooting style. Some will not shoot very many at all. Some will shoot too much.
Industry standard average is around 40-60 pictures per hour per photographer. But the correct answer is, they should supply as many images as they need to and little as they can to tell the complete story of your day Newer, less experienced photographers tend to overshoot. They also have difficulty deciding what to keep and what not to, so end up giving the client thousands of pictures. Conversely, it’s common for high end photographers to supply 250 proofs for a full coverage wedding. The proofs are just that, proofs…….a sampling and variety of images of your day. You are not supposed to love them all. Out of these, the hope is you can find 80-120 images that you really like for your album that tell the story or your day.
We got back 150 edited photos. Our wedding was super tiny & he got most of the shots I requested. Plus we basically got him for free & the photos were really good, so I was very happy with what he gave us.
It was supposed to be a minimum of 350…and while I did get back 360, that includes about 50 I absolutely hate and don’t understand why they’re in there. Backs of heads, blinking people, 20 of the musician with his guitar, etc. Blah. At least I got really great ones of the ‘getting ready’ from earlier in the day.
I got 760 and I thought it was a ton! We had him for about 8 hours, I can’t imagine having over 1000! It will be hard enough to pick 50 for the album from what i have!
I’m actually horrified at the number of people who say they’re getting 1500+ images back from their photographer. It’s no wonder the industry is going down in flames! I also want to highlight what
Newer, less experienced photographers tend to overshoot. They also have difficulty deciding what to keep and what not to, so end up giving the client thousands of pictures.
This tends to be true. Now, I know someone is going to rebut that, and that’s fine. In MY expereince that tends to ring true. There is a sentimate amoung photographers who have been doing this a long time that the digital age has produced sloppy photographers. Now before someone comes in and says “no way, that’s not true”, I mean that back in the days of film, photographers really had to think out their shots. They weren’t just snapping away – everything was calculated to take lighting, facials, compostion, etc into consideration. A lot of new photographers shoot EVERYTHING, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but they also show everything. We’re all guilty of it. When I transitioned from film to digital, my first few digital weddings I WAY overshot. It happens.
I usually average about 100 images/hour in a final gallery – so getting just shy of 700 for a 7 hour wedding is right about in line. I never gurantee a certain amount, and I also tell my couples that every wedding is different. I’ve had weddings that were so happening I proofed more than 100/hr. There have been plenty of weddings where NOTHING was going on at the reception and that results in fewer images. It’s unfortunate, but you can’t shoot what isn’t happening.
Many of these new photographers would be out of business in the film days with the cost of developing. You really had to plan your shots and not click the shutter until everything was perfect.
I also agree with the statement above that not all 2nd shooters are newbies with no experience. Bottom line, find out who you are getting.
My Fiance is a photographer, and typically when he does weddings he only gives them about 900 photos, but shoots about 2500 photos. I think 500 pictures would be fine as long as they captured all of your special moments, and they looked nice 🙂 It’s quality that matters, not quantity!
Also, most of the photographers I know hire college students as second shooters, and its true they typically don’t have as much experience but are still pretty good. I had my Fiance teach me how to shoot, and took a few photography classes so I work as his second shooter. But just because you have 2 shooters doesn’t mean you should be getting a lot more photos. They are there to help the main photographer catch important moments in case theirs doesn’t turn out the way they want.
Sorry to hear that. I’d be more upset in the gaps of types of photos than a smaller number. It seems like, theoretically, 400 should be enough to capture the moments. But with you missing key scenes, that’s disappointing. Maybe there are some from your friends?
This is why a contract must be thoroughly reviewed before the wedding day, the photographer’s contract outlines exactly what they’ll provide you with after the fact and gives you the client leverage if you think he/she has fallen short.
To say “I go out and shoot 200 pics with my girlfriends!” is a bit ridiculous because A) Are you saying all 200 pics are photo album worthy? B) Are you touching up/enhancing these photos after the shoot? Photographers can spend up to three times as long as the event itself touching up in photoshop or lightroom. And lastly, C) Are they just selfies held up and taken with a cellphone and not with interchangeable lenses? Are the girls posed in flattering ways? Are you taking into account angles, scenery, and available lighting? These are factors a photographer considers with every push of the button.
(This isn’t to the original poster, but other people’s comments in this thread) To demand a certain number of photos above 700 is ridiculous. Are you telling me you’ll review all 1k+ photos on a regular basis? No, you’re just hoping for more on the off-chance there’s gems you’d otherwise miss out on. Your photographer gives you the best of the best. Why are people obsessed over getting the full roll of untouched pics? Do you have a full license of photoshop and have had training in bridal touch-ups? In which case, sure, save some money and edit your own pics. Otherwise, this isn’t a competition. You’re going to get exactly the amount on your contract.
Back to original poster, how many photos is in your contract? Did you thoroughly research your photographer: review her past work, contact references of past clients to ask about their experience, and still find that the final result is subpar? Then you can POSSIBLY take him/her to small claims to get your money back. If you went ahead and booked a photographer because they were cheap and you saw ONE or TWO pics you liked, then you’re at fault. Honestly, what’s done is done. Pass it on to friends and family who are planning a wedding not to use them, and that’s pretty much all you can do.
Congrats on your wedding, and best of luck 🙂
I only got around 400 from our photographer.. But we only had him for four hours. I didn’t want anything crazy just the ceremony dances cake cutting portraits… Etc. i think it’s crazy if they were there the whole time and that’s all you git 🙁 I had a friend w an amazing camera there that took a ton of pics for me too as my back up photographer!
Wondering how much you paid… If I was a photographer, I wouldn’t work minimum wage for someone who compares numbers with other photographers. A good photographer would charge 3-4$ per image. If you paid $1,000 then the number of images seems to be right.
This is really inaccurate . Im a fulltime professional wedding photographer and I pay and am paid anywhere from $75-50 per hour to have a second shooter. When I’m not booked if I have time I second shoot for friends to keep my cost of doing business lower. I’ve often shot a wedding with much less experienced photographers because they wanted a pro with them. That being said I pay my second photographers well to perform and their images make up 30-40% of my galleries. Not all studios hire good second photographers but every single one I bring In has their own business and just looking to make a little extra cash. When you pay a wedding photographer say $3000 30-40% goes to taxes 30% goes to business expenses which leaves the photographer with about $1000 and that’s if they choose not to reinvest some of that in the business. Second shooters are usually very seasoned professionals, not all but most. I bring assistants who are getting their feet wet and would never trust someone new to be my second shooter, it’s irresponsible and unprofessional.
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