How much is your health worth to you?

posted 10 months ago in Emotional
Post # 32
1923 posts
Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: July 2018

pantsapocalypse :  oh no worries.  I hope the ketamine works out for you!  I just wanted to make sure you know that EMDR is really different from talk therapy even though it’s done by a “therapist”… it’s more along the lines of a neurobiological reprogramming a la ketamine, whereas it seemed like you were lumping it in with CBT therapy and the like.  But anyway, now I’m just repeating myself.

And YES your health is worth money.  Do what you need to do to not be suicidal!  

Post # 33
105 posts
Blushing bee
  • Wedding: April 2012

I’m a Psych Nurse from Canada, who can tell you that Ketamine has been very successful, and in progress for 3 years .  You will know right afterwards, if it is effective for you.  My heart breaks for the Countries who do not have paid health care. If everyone agrees that health is the most important  thing, why wouldn’t universal health care be the most important thing, when you are voting?  I never,ever take it for granted.  It is a 3 week wait to get this day surgery treatment here.  Go for the treatment, and my best wishes,for you.

Post # 34
4704 posts
Honey bee
  • Wedding: September 2018

pantsapocalypse :  this is tough as I am a Brit and generally have the NHS available (paid by taxes and free at point of use). That said I have PMDD which was undiagnosed and made my mental health so bad I nearly died. The NHS would not listen, one doctor even rolled their eyes at me. I paid to see someone privately and it was worth every penny. Not nearly as much as your suggesting but I went through a period of unemployment which meant skipping meals. I would do anything for the sake of my health.

Post # 35
109 posts
Blushing bee
  • Wedding: September 2017

I was also going to suggest emdr. It’s designed for ptsd and lots of people have found it life changing. 

Post # 38
109 posts
Blushing bee
  • Wedding: September 2017

pantsapocalypse :  no it may not be the best option for you right now, some people get relief pretty quickly but it isn’t the case for everyone. Plus I think it’s important to find someone you’re comfortable with to actually perform it and that can take some trial and error. It’s more that you seem a bit stuck for options right now and should the ketamine not work there are so many options out there – it would take years and years to exhaust all the medication combinations plus there are things like emdr and there are new treatments being developed all the time.

Post # 39
10273 posts
Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: November 2010

pantsapocalypse :  

I hope this is helpful, Bee. There are a couple of clinics in our area that do ketamine infusion and looking at the costs, it comes in well under $10K.

I have a lot of confidence in our local physicians, we have a teaching hospital here and we end up with lots of docs who decide to stay after their residencies.  They tend to be pretty cutting edge around here.

Anyway, if you would like to take a look at their fees for comparison, here they are.

Post # 40
3248 posts
Sugar bee

*trigger warning – mention of suicide*


I just wanted to share my own personal experience. After my son was born in 2015, I developed severe post partum depression. I was unable to breastfeed, which contributed, as it made me feel like a failure as a mom. I also felt like my son didn’t love me. I had difficulty bonding with him. I was overwhelmed by caring for him. HE had colic, which was hell. We both were perpetually sleep deprived. I thought I was a bad mom, and I thought my son and my partner were better off without me. I tried to jump out of a moving car in an attempt to commit suicide. Ultimately, I was stabilized on antidepressants, but a lot of the first year of my son’s life is a blur, and the whole first year was very very difficult for me.

I recently had baby #2, and developed antepartum depression and anxiety around 20 weeks. It got worse after I had her, and I became extremely depressed and suicidal again. My new insurance did not have mental health coverage. We had saved and saved so my partner could take paternity leave, but the savings were not unlimited.

I ended up having to see a psychiatrist who charged $300 for an initial evaluation and visit, and who wanted me to come back every week for “medication management” and pay $100. I felt it was a money making scam, especially since antidepressants typically can take up to 8 weeks before you know if they’re even working. But I was literally at the point of actively making a suicide plan, in case I couldn’t handle it anymore, and I knew I needed help, no matter what it cost. It didn’t add up to 10k, but it was a real financial hardship for us.

We put it on a credit card, which we’ll pay off when we can. I was able to get stabilized on a new antidepressant, and I’m now seeing a new psychiatrist at no charge, who also does therapy (the first one charged double if you wanted therapy too). And I’m getting better.

My newborn baby girl, my son, my partner, and my friends would‘ve been devastated if I‘d gone through with what I so often thought about. But I well know it’s very difficult to get out of that black pit of hopelessness. I can only tell you that I believe your health is worth everything, and I think you should proceed with the treatment. Yes your partner needs you, but eventually that won’t be enough to stop you. Please get the help you need, and fuck your insurance for putting yet another patient’s needs before their bottom line, money. 

I hope you’ll get better. I’m sorry for what you’re going through. And I hope you’ll keep us updated on how you’re doing. 

Post # 41
56 posts
Worker bee

KittyYogi :  EMDR is effective.  It was my first thought when I saw the $10k price tag.  OP Good luck.  It looks like you have made the decision bases on what you feel is best.  

Post # 42
9637 posts
Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2015

is there solid evidence that it works? Thatd be the big question for me. If it does for sure, then hell yeah spend the money. If its new and experimental, thats an expensive gamble.

Post # 43
1646 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: October 2019

I’m all for doing the ‘dry run’ first with the Ketamine and am a  huge believer in Earth/whole science not the decompartmentalised science that our U.S. Doctors tote around (pill peddlers). The body is a system so it should be treated like a system. That is my belief. 

There are so many natural and good drugs out there that are marketed as ‘bad’ and ‘illegal’ because they don’t make PHARMA money. It’s a f*cked up system that we capitalists (if you live in the US) pay into. Our system is the snake eating itself. Pharma, healthcare, food systems…they’re all connected. 

So, long story short, I’m proud of you for doing your own research it’s unfortunate that many people believe literal propoganda and ‘coz my Doctor says so’ though it truly sounds like your primary is doing the best she can and working with you, which again, Kudos to you. 

Just out of curiosity, what about ‘Payote’ and doing a ‘retreat’ in Mexico? I’ve heard that is also very useful for addiction recory PTSD and depression. Not sure if you’ve looked into it, just curious. 

I have PTSD too but everyone is different. For me, removing alcohol from my regime, changing environments (work, home, people) in combination with group and one on one counseling has worked. But that’s just me and I 100% believe everyone is unique. 

Good luck!

Post # 44
10273 posts
Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: November 2010

MrsBuesleBee :  

The success rate is 70%. One small study (100 participants) showed improvement in 80 out of 100.


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