Post # 1
My parents, boyfriend and older relatives say be persistant, contact anyone who you are interested in working for even if they don’t have posted openings, ask for interviews, ask for the job, call to follow up after you have applied, call every week, check in with networking contacts frequently even if they don’t respond, find ways to bypass HR and get straight to the hiring manager.
Then my job-search group and favorite job-search blog says don’t be in contact after submitting an application, follow up with email, not phone calls, don’t ask for interviews or jobs, don’t try to bypass HR unless you have a personal connection, if networking contacts aren’t responding it means that they don’t want to help you, don’t annoy people if they don’t have jobs posted and your resume and cover letter should speak for themselves so you don’t need to try and stand out by being persistant.
I’m so confused! What should I be doing?
Post # 3
ETA: I tried to break it into paragraphs but it didn’t work.
Post # 4
Well it’s according to the type of job. We only accept resumes for posted positions. There are no calls, drop-ins, etc. Everything is done electronically even weeding through the resumes. Make sure your resume has keywords from the postings. Some times the initial screeners only look for specifics that match the posting almost identically.
I work in a technical field and our recruiter has a degree in business. He’s tried to discount resumes from people that were fine because he didn’t think they fit and had the audacity to argue with me when I wanted to include them and I was the hiring manager. LOL
We can sometimes get 100+ resumes within a day or two so make sure you apply early because we might actually cut it off at that point because we don’t have time to week through hundreds of applicants. Make sure your resume stands out based on the posting.
Post # 6
I am confused about this also. Commenting now to check in later.
Post # 7
I have always been very forward when looking for jobs. My current job was posted in August 09 & I called HR a few days after completing the online application. I was told they were already interviewing, sorry. I explained to the woman that I am the right person for the job and if anything falls through to keep me in mind. I got a call in early Oct and was hired 7 days later. I was assertive and memorable and here I am.
Post # 8
- Wedding: November 2013 - St. Augustine Beach, FL
@worldtraveler: Most applicants make the mistake of sending the same bland, nonspecific cover letter to every employer. You should have a specific cover letter for every job you apply for. It should be tailored to the job criteria listed on the job posting (if there is one) as well as explain how you would fit in well at XYZ Company.
Research the company online and through your network to find out what the office is like so you can tell them how you would fit in and add to their business. Explain how your particular education and experience ties into what that company or division does. Use buzz words from the job posting so they know you: a) read the posting; and b) your skills and experience match up with what they are looking for. Your cover letter is the chance to market yourself as a potential employee.
Post # 9
@worldtraveler: Please, please, please DO NOT CALL to check on an application. For the most part, you don’t know who you’ve submitted it to, and calling to check just annoys the person you reach. I happen to be the Marketing Manager at my company, and I can’t tell you how annoyed I get when someone gets to my phone and asks to stop in or talk about the status of your application.
Bottom line, if they want you, you’ll get a call. I personally love the blog Ask A Manger. Great advice for job seekers and the employed alike.
Post # 10
It depends on the company. I know in the 2 companies i’ve worked for, if nothing is posted, nobody is getting hired. It’s not in the budget, period. If it were in the budget, they’d be looking to hire! Being a pest about it will black list you. And, since science is such a connected and usually small field, people will talk, and you’ll become that awkward person nobody wants to work with.
In most companies, there’s a protocol. Your resume and contacts are what get you noticed/in. Nothing really makes up for a really strong resume and excellent network.
Post # 11
I am not in HR but I have a lot of experience getting hired. For almost every kind of job you can imagine, I am like an experience collector. And I have helped my husband get hired… every time he has gotten hired.
I would say to focus on writing a really good, concise cover letter to get them to look at your resume. People love my resume. I have many different ones, for different jobs, and I apparently am very good at writing cover letters as well.
I know it is a whole new world out there as far as networking, and I think it is fine to ask people you know if they have any positions for you. However, I wouldn’t recommend continuing to contact people after you apply. You don’t want to be annoying. Always follow the instructions of course. It all depends. For the most part I would not recommend calling to check in at a professional job- you don’t know who you are speaking to or who is in charge of hiring.
Post # 12
@BlondeBee: Ask A Manager has really helped me a lot already, and she def. encourages a not-persistant approach, which was a relief because I hate being persistant. The problem is that my parents and Boyfriend or Best Friend are telling me to be more persistant. My parents are supporting me and my future with my Boyfriend or Best Friend depends on getting a job, so they both have sizable horses in this race and I feel like I need to do what they say. But I don’t want to go too far and end up blacklisted, like crayfish says. And then there’s stories like relaxedabout it where she got the job by being persistant and calling. It just confuses me more!
@beachbride1216: I improved my cover letters and got a slew of interviews (and some compliments on my cover letters), but since then it’s completely tapered off. I don’t know what went wrong. I don’t think it’s my resume and cover letters anymore.
Post # 13
I’m not in HR but I have been a part of the hiring process. Persistence does pay off, but it depends greatly on the situation.
1) Yes, there are sometimes job postings that are not yet public. For example, a req may be approved budgetwise and there is going to be a search for someone to fill that role but HR has not yet posted the req yet. Maybe the hiring manager already has someone in mind to fill the role. So yes, it can be helpful to reach out to various people and let them know you are interested in any job openings. However, there’s no guarantee as to when a job opens and if it even fits your area of expertise. Hiring is generally based on budget approvals so even if a networking contact thinks you are the best thing ever, if there’s no money for additional headcount, then that’s that.
2) Do not call unless instructed to do so, as in you’ve gotten clarification from HR to call back in x weeks if you don’t hear back from them. Phone calls are generally intrusive and if they are in the process of interviewing a lot of candidates, they won’t release any information to you anyway. If you do want to stay on top of things, you can send a nice “just checking in on the status”-type email.
3) I would not check in with networking contacts “frequently even if they don’t respond”. I would check in with them again in maybe a month, in the event they meant to respond but forgot (I’ve done that), but I wouldn’t be extremely persistent if they aren’t responding. Do not come outright and say you need a job. Set up a coffee meetup or a quick phone call for an informational interview to discuss the company, their position there and how they got there. It literally is just for information; it is not a veiled attempt at getting a job.
Post # 14
- Wedding: November 2013 - St. Augustine Beach, FL
@worldtraveler: Keep sending them out. It took me over 2 years to get a full time position in my career field. There were times where it quieted down and then picked back up. This time of year is tough for businesses for two reasons: 1) end of year reports and taxes are due; and 2) many companies are trying to figure out how the implementation of the ACA (Obamacare) is going to affect their business.
Keep sending stuff out and following up on it. I interviewed for a position in July and waited to hear back for months before re-contacting the office in October to find out if the job was still available; it was and they offerred me the position because I followed up. In the meantime I took a position working the front desk at a doctors’ office where I was answering phones, setting appointments, and checking insurance. Keeping busy kept me sane.
Post # 15
I used to work in HR, and no amount of persistence ever kept someone from getting the job if the company wanted them, so being “annoying” and calling to check in will not ruin your chances of getting the job. It’s usually not necessary though. If you’re not hearing back it’s because they’re still interviewing. If they want you, they won’t forget about you. But, if it makes you feel better to check in, go for it, it won’t hurt your chances if they already want you!
If you’re interested in a company but don’t see any jobs open or any you qualify for, contact them and tell them you really want to work for them and if you can set up time to talk about what might be a good fit. My current job wasn’t an open position, I really wanted to work for the company, made it known and they created a job for me.
Never apply for jobs directly through the company website if you can help it. Always try and find someone to directly contact, attach your resume and let them know you applied online and to look out for your application. If you HAVE to apply online and cannot find anyone internally to contact, apply to the same job frequently – when I used to search applications through our online system, I’d do it 1-2x per week, and start with the most recent applications – it was basically luck of the draw if I even opened your application. If you apply a few times to the job, it ups your chances of your application getting opened.