(Closed) I am absolutely sick over Standing Rock anyone else?

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Post # 31
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Buzzing Beekeeper

As an indigenous person my heart bleeds for my brothers and sisters. This is about so much more than the pipeline itself. It is about a government once again (because they are not the first) going back on promises to the Indigenous people of the land they stole. It is disgusting and shameful.

That is all I’m going to say because this topic is far too triggering for me.

Post # 32
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valintine :  what???? Stupid. 

 

White privilege is great.

Post # 33
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Yet again it’s a lovely time to be up white and middle-class and have all these white and middle-class opinions about life, and the value of the world.

Post # 34
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The Dakota Access Pipeline is NOT ON SACRED LAND. It is NEAR it. This means that yes, it is legal, and does not infringe on the religious rights of the protesters.

So what does this mean? 

It means protesters are illegally stopping the work that isn’t on their land and is perfectly legal.

Perhaps you should educate yourself about this before writing about it in a public forum 😆

Post # 35
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Ukulele4You :  Stop the racist crap. You sound like the most ignorant person on this thread.

Post # 36
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NDTieTheKnot :  Maybe you should educate yourself about the issue. The issue is that the traditional owners were not consulted about the pipeline and that breaks federal laws and treaties with the traditional owners. The pipeline runs a half mile from the reservations main water source and the traditional owners were never consulted which as I early stated breaks the treaties signed by both the teaditional owners and the government. So their response to not being heard is to do the same thing that the government has done, ignore the treaties and reclaim (camp on) their traditional lands. It is all their land, whether you want to acknowledge that or not.

 

 

 

 

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j_jaye :  I’m sorry but no. Whether or not they should have been informed, the government does not need their permission. The pipeline is not going on traditional land, only near it, so sorry, but they do not have rights to land they do not own…

Post # 38
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NDTieTheKnot :  Again you are not listening. Within the treaty that grants the traditional owners their lands there is a clause that states that they will be consulted on developments adjacent to their lands. Your government broke that treaty. If you don’t think that governments need to uphold their own legal documents then I don’t know what to say. Not to mention that the reason for the treaties was to make amends for all the damages done to the Indigenous population and then to totally disregard those treaties really shows what kind of country the USA is.

The developers also disturbed recorded burial grounds. But yeah that is no big deal right either. 

Post # 39
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NDTieTheKnot :  Well it is part of long term oppression of Native People. It is easy to say that is not the issue when you have more of a voice. Yes it is going NEAR the land. Would you want a pipeline that near you? If the land near the pipeland was owned by rich white men you can be sure it would not be put in. 

Post # 40
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I was following it heavily. (Please follow Jordan chariton if you don’t already). And saw first hand accounts and live video of how the native Americans were being mistreated, abused, treated like criminals, arms torn off, blinded. It’s sickening. The news kept lying about them, as if they were violent. They were lying to protect DAPL. And their governor is a lying piece of sh*t too. The way democrats have handled it sickens me the most because this is EXPECTED of republicans, to abuse minorities, but democrats have been silent on this when they could’ve done anything to help. I will always side with the native Americans when it comes to keeping their land. And to the people who think pipelines are safe, are you joking? Pipelines leak all the time, they spread into your drinking water and poison you. Do you like getting poisoned? Research please.

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mcmeow :  The UN has opened an investigation into the local police re human rights violations. At least the international community are taking notice but I hardly think the USA as it exhisits today is going to care about the UN or it’s findings. This is a very good reminder of how things like rights and freedoms can be turned on a dime. 

The thing that gets me is that Indigenous people have been told to get over it and move on re: the historical treatment and decimation of Indigenous people and their sovereignty and their lands. Hard to get over it and move on when they are still being treated the same way. They will be handing out infected blankets next to get rid of the “native” problem.

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j_jaye :  it’s ridiculous that people don’t see how history repeats itself. My ancestors were also natives (the first natives discovered by Columbus in Hispaniola, now the Dominican Republic). Their culture is extinct now and replaced with Spanish culture. Many Dominicans don’t recognize that side of their history and side with the spaniards but it was a violent past, just like American natives. But the difference is the American natives are still around, they’re still fighting to keep their culture and land. They’re not extinct like the ones in the Caribbean, it’s our duty to help them strive, their cultures and people are beautiful and they deserve to make it. This land simply belongs to them. We live in a selfish world.

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mcmeow :  It makes me laugh because “OMG ban everyone whose muslim because we will be taken over and steal our way of life” but they are doing the same shit different method. But it is worse because it is to the traditional owners of the land they live on. And cue the flaming for comparing the government to terrorists.

If people care these are the banks bankrolling the pipeline. Close your account and let your money talk since that is the only language they understand.

 

Post # 44
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j_jaye :  credit unions for the win. I need to transfer my money to one although my savings is in a local bank and not one of the ones listed. Money talks and this approach works well.

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j_jaye :  I’m really sorry that you, your family, and people you know have faced such terrible injustices, I really am- nobody should have to suffer by the hands of another, let alone whole groups of people. I’m embarassed to say that Canada has committed similar atrocities to our own indigenous population. I hope that there’s a change in attitude towards indigenous people and that the healing process can finally begin. I know it’s a long road 🙁 .  You seem to be very knowledgable about the project so I’m hoping you can help me understand what exactly is going on here. From the reports that I’ve read, meetings were requested by the pipeline operator to consult with the nearby tribes and they received very little feedback. I’ve also read that this new pipeline would follow the exact same corridor as several others that have already been active for years. If that’s the case, what is the concern?  

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mcmeow :  I would never condone violence against anyone, I think that it’s awful and I don’t agree with the mistreatment of anyone so please take that into consideration. As for your comment about how anyone can say that pipelines are safe, I still stand by my comment. Please bear in mind that I deal with pipelines every single day. There is a huge, vast network of pipelines that criss-cross beneath both of countries that you and I are probably both quite blissfully unaware of because they are that common. You’re right that on occasion they leak. The fact of the matter is, that given the amount of lines that exist, it really is quite rare, and the majority of pipeline leaks are so minor that they are completely cleaned up the same day without any negative impact to humans, watershed, or wildlife. Unfortunately transporting anything comes with a bit of risk, but the least risky method of all is pipeline. May I ask, how do you propose that we move oil that we still need (for now, until we can move towards more sustainable means)?

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