(Closed) I am absolutely sick over Standing Rock anyone else?

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Post # 61
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Buzzing bee

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mcmeow :  The companies don’t need to be more transparent. You can go online and see for yourself what exactly is required for sampling. Sampling requirements are based off of ISO Standards (International Organization for Standardization). These standards are recognized internationally and developed by panels of experts within each industry. The EPA then use ISO standards to develop their own guidelines (which have to be at least as strict but are typically more strict). Finally, each state comes up with THEIR own protocol, which again has to at the very least meet EPA guidelines. It is outlined for certain types of facilities, what needs to be analyzed and where. There’s no judgement involved-it’s simply regulated practice that you must follow. So, basically what you are saying that a panel of internationally acclaimed scientists don’t know what they’re talking about.

Also, the people that are doing the sampling or are signing off on the reporting belong to a professional association, just like engineers, geologists, doctors, etc. Professionals have to prove that they are competent in what they are signing off on, and that they are acting ethically, in the best interest of human kind. Of course you’re going to have corrupt professionals, they exist in every industry, but for the most part, they are law abiding, ethical people.  

 

ETA: I’m adding more info because you updated your response after I finished mine haha 🙂 . The frustrating thing is, oil companies do a lot to try to be honest and straight forward with people, to provide them with pertinent information, to consult affected parties, to show communities that they do work in that they appreciate them, and the general public for the most part completely ignores it. I’ve said that I agree with you that we need to move towards more sustainable energy, but like I said a couple pages back, we don’t have to technology or the infrastructure to do that yet. We need oil for now. I also mentioned that oil production doesn’t just provide us with energy, petroleum products are also used in over 6000 items that people like you and I use on a daily basis in our homes. Finally, with the more sustainable energy methods, we are still going to need environmental regulations, and there still will be waste associated with them. Every single product that we manufacture and consume as humans produces waste unfortunately :(.

Post # 62
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Sugar Beekeeper
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I just wish we could all get along and be nice and work together.

 

Post # 63
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Buzzing bee

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slomotion :  Same here. I hate violence, and being disrespectful to others gets us nowhere. 

Post # 64
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Buzzing bee

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MrsMellyBean :  Genuine thanks to you for all of your explanations. I read all your posts and found them very insightful and helpful.

Post # 66
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Buzzing bee

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MrsMellyBean :  I feel like so much of what gets published is just trying to politicize and take advantage of the situation to force issue where there isn’t one. I appreciated the facts and explanations you gave- it seems pretty common sense (which normally is the best answer). 

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herrera2016 :  I think the real issue here is both sides are not willing to listen to the other. You are a republican? Sit and wait while the decomcrats attack you, and vice versa. WHY cant everyone just be an adult and listen to the needs other the other party and have a respectful conversation. This literally BLOWS my mind. 

You have probably not heard of anyone who supports this pipeline because you are not willing to listen. I generally never post on political topics here because it is a waste of time. Many people have already made their mind up, and do not actually care to hear the opposing argument, only to make everyone else agree with them. 

I support the pipeline in general. I do not support how people are being treated. I also believe both sides could be more respectful. I believe trespassing on private land is against the law, just as I believe people should never be physically attacked who are not causing a physical threat to others. I believe the Sioux people do not want a pipeline, just as the CEO of the pipeline company did not want protesters outside of his home threatening his wife and children while he was at work. Violence begets violence. Hate begets hate. 

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mcmeow : Part of the problem today is judging a group of people based on the negative actions of a few. So all republicans are horrible monsters who like running people over with tanks? Good to know. Just FYI many rupublics do not like Trump, just like many democrats did not like Hilary. 

 “It was easy to come out as trans. It was harder to come out as a Republican” – Caitlyn Jenner

If we all could practice a little more respect towards others, the world would be a much better place.  

Post # 68
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Buzzing bee
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I think that instances like Flint have made people more wary about water quality. I know this is a very different scenario, but no one wants to end up in fear of water from their tap.

Post # 69
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texasgal747 :  how was I being disrespectful? Lol I swear you guys just want people to shut up and not question anything, just go along with whatever agrees with your point of view. As I mentioned, I will always side with the oppressed, i will primarily listen to the victims who have been violently harassed by corporations but I will continue to research the other side as well. Does it make me a bad person to not want a protester’s arm blown off, or native women stripped naked spending a night in a dog kennel? Question everything.

Edit: I’m guessing you were responding to my first comment where I said violence against minorities is expected with republicans. That shouldn’t be offensive because it’s correct, I didn’t say all republicans do this, because I know of fiscally conservative people who are just selfish with their money but hate Trump, but the majority strive to oppress, they have made a comfortable home for literal Nazi’s afterall. Through their policy suppressing votes in poor black communities, oppressing trans people, trying to stop LGBTQ from getting married, gerrymandering, cutting social security and Medicare from the poorest communities, the list goes on.

Post # 70
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NDTieTheKnot :  I am saying it was selected because it was a good location for several reasons one of them being Native People do not have the money to fight. I think it is ignorant not acknowledge that one of the main reasons this pipeline is being put where it is is due to the long-term oppression of Native people. As in If the adjoining property was owned by someone with money, ignoring race, there’s no way it would be put there because the property owners would take it to court. But the property is ideal because of its location, and the fact the people who do own it don’t have the resources to fight. And they don’t have the resources to fight because they happen to be an indigenous population that has been systematically oppressed.

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mcmeow :  I was not trying to label you as a bad person. I was simply referring to your quick reaction to place people in groups and judge the whole group based on the actions of a few. Which again… using the phrase “you guys just want people to shut up and not question anything”… is exactly my point. The ENTIRE point of my post was pointing out how both sides will not listen to the other, and I wish that were not the case. Yet, you are quick to throw me into a group of people who refuse to listen. I simply do not understand how you came to that conclusion, when like I said, my post was about both sides learning to listen. 

Post # 72
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Bumble bee
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texasgal747 :  it’s more of a response to people here telling me to stop debating just because someone here works with them. If you did not mean it that way I accidentally lumped you in and I apologize (that’s what happens when you skim comments on your phone, my bad). I agree with you that both sides should be able to debate the issues, which is my point as well.

Post # 73
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mcmeow :  I think her point was that you shouldn’t lump people together period. Also, I don’t think people are telling you to stop debating- I think they just mean that until you can provide actual scientific data to support your claims, maybe take into consideration what I’m saying too. You’re right though, you’re probably not going to change my mind on this particular issue (environmentally) because I have scientific info and personal experience on these issues. With regards to the treatment of protestors, I think you’ll find that my views align a lot with yours. I don’t condone violence or disrespectful conduct of anyone. I will say though that I am very open to empirical data. My mind has been changed on these forums on other subject matters so it’s not like I’m too deadset in my ways to listen to valid arguments.

Post # 74
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Bumble bee
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MrsMellyBean :  that’s good to know. I also change my views based on data, but this issue isn’t black and white, it’s more complex than what we’re debating on, I’m sure you know that, and numbers and statistics have many layers to them. The numbers are important but so are first hand accounts of people affected, and listening to their concerns. (I’m not gonna ignore data, it’s hypocritical when I make fun of climate change deniers). The main thing we agree on is that the treatment of protestors is unjust and needs to change. And I know there was a commenter outraged that I would challenge your knowledge just because you work with these pipelines, which I think is ridiculous, since we should not be afraid to debate people who have first hand knowledge on these things.

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mcmeow :  Environmentally speaking- with respect to if pipelines are currently the safest and most reasonable way to transport oil and gas, it is black and white though. With regards to land issues and treatment of protestors, that’s where it’s more of a grey area because not only do we need to follow the law, there are also ethically issues at hand. Again, I don’t think she was saying don’t question my knowledge, she was more saying, where is your data to support your claims. I’m going to stop responding now because it’s clear to me that we’ve come to an impasse. Let’s just hope that this can all resolve itself peacefully. 

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