(Closed) I am Jazz- Transgender 14 yr old on TLC

posted 4 years ago in The Lounge
  • poll: Do you believe Jazz is a girl born in a boy's body?
    Yes : (191 votes)
    72 %
    No : (54 votes)
    20 %
    I'm not sure : (19 votes)
    7 %
  • Post # 31
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    Helper bee

    countingstars:  I was glad to see a poll. My son (who was born my daughter, and is 14 years old) came out to me as transgender last November 1st. As his mother, *I* love and support him no matter what, but I am interested in what others, who don’t have a loved one going through this, think. 

    Post # 32
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    Buzzing bee

    There has definitely been at least one case of a child who was born a with the organs of both genders and another of a child whom I believe was born male, but because of some sort of accidental mutilation, was raised a girl.

    ( I’m going strictly on memory here, so my details may VERY WELL be faulty) but the point is, the children were somewhat arbitrarilly assigned gender, with disasterous results.

    The very fact that even as a VERY young child, Jazz identified exclusively as a girl says more to what appears to be her natural situation, whatever her “plumbing” may be.

    If someone happens across the cases I mentioned, please post the source(s)?

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    Post # 33
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: May 2014

    redvelvette:  I definitely believe this is possible and applaude your son for having the strength to be who he feels he is and for you for loving him unconditionally.

    ann.reid.9277:  Yes, I remember those stories. It seems more back in the “old” days where a doctor says there HAS to be a decision made while the kid is still a newborn. I don’t think it was accidental mutilation. The choice was made for him to be a girl and he really identified with being a boy. They should’ve left it up to him in later years, but maybe doctors and society are smarter now??

    Post # 34
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    Buzzing bee

    RedHeadKel:  Unfortunately I did find the case I was thinking of. It ended tragically and happened fairly recently.

    There were two different scenarios, and one was the result of a failed surgery.

    Post # 36
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: November 2014

    I grew up with a child like this.  A little girl who wanted to be a boy, looked like a boy, talked like a boy, dressed like a boy.  Trust me, I showed compassion at the time.  It’s just the kind thing to do.  

    That being said, I’m sick of being inundated by this subject in the media.  I watch tv to be entertained, not to be indoctrinated.

    Post # 37
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2015

    ann.reid.9277:  I remember watching a documentary about this in my AP psych class in high school. Don’t remember the specifics but the child was actually male/female but was “assigned” at birth as the opposite and found out much later in life that they weren’t in fact the gender they were raised to be. So fascinating… I wish I could remember what the doc was.

    Post # 39
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: September 2014

    nessdawwg:  I’ve read that article too and my gut instinct was to agree and believe the same as you do. I am a teacher who has several trans students and a trans friend and through conversations, my mind has changed a bit. Here’s how I understand it:

    Biological sex and gender is different. There is a different culture and identity for each gender, and traditionally we assign that gender based on biological sex. There are people for whom that system and assignment doesn’t quite click. Given the choice, they would have navigated the world as the opposite gender, but they weren’t given a choice. Because our society is so caught up in the association of biological sex and gender, in order to “pass” as the gender they identify as, hormones are necessary to limit the visual effects of their biological sex.

    I think that in a perfect world, people could be either biological sex and any gender, but it’s not a perfect world. Right now, our brains are trained that biological sex and gender are tied together. If we can ever break that association, then maybe we could accept that some women have beards and penises and some men have breasts and periods. And even then, trans people may still prefer hormones and surgical procedures to make the outside match the inside and that’s their prerogative.

    I don’t know if I’m over-simplifying but that’s kind of what I understand. Not trying to preach at you – hoping it helps someone understand something they didn’t before!

    Post # 40
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    Sugar bee
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    208bride:  I totally agree with you. I think in a perfect world there would be no gender. We’d all just be humans. Some humans have penises, some have vaginas. Some have both. Some have penises and are attracted to others with penises, some with vaginas. Some wish to change and add a penise or breasts, some wish to take them away. And we could look at everyone just as we now look at “ordinary” men/women and their differences. Some women have big breasts, some have small. Some wish to enhance their breasts, some wish to decrease them. Some men have beards, some are bald.

    Yes, men and women are different and are free to identify as such. But there are so many more differences in us just simply as humans. And by taking away the titles of male vs. female, we can just all be humans. Different in our own ways.. not limited to “different than other women/men”. Just different. Because no two people are exactly the same.

    Post # 41
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    Buzzing bee

    ClaudiaKishi:  This is the more recent case. Thank you for posting it. Truly tragic, and affirms the fact that “gender” is much more complex than explicit. 

    Post # 42
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: August 2015

    I watched the first episode and thought it was very well done–I especially enjoyed the focus on the grandparents and the attitude they have about needing to learn more about what they don’t understand. It’s also important to acknowledge the stages of grief that come with having a child who doesn’t fufill parental expectations, that it’s normal to feel denial and sadness and anger and confusion but ultimately there is a stage of acceptance where all involved are in a better place and can support each other more fully.

    Post # 43
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: April 2016

    I think its great for her and I’m glad she’s happy. My only concern if this was my child would be… how well does a toddler really know themselves? Just because a little boy likes pink and dresses doesnt mean hes a girl, and just becuase a little girl likes trucks and whatnot doesnt mean she is a boy… 

    It takes many years for someone to really truely know themselves, I could just see a 4 year old boy insisting he’s a girl and then saying, “nevermind” a few years later. Not saying this is the case with Jazz, I just mean in general.

    Post # 44
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2015

    ktsteimel:  I totally get what your saying and can understand the thought of “how can a 4 year old know what he/she wants in the grand scheme of life???” Heck, at some point I wanted to be a Tiger… you didn’t see my parents dropping me off at the zoo and letting me tattoo stripes on my skin…

    But when it comes to “liking pink” versus “claiming to be a girl”. I think it’s very different scenarios. Growing up, I was a tom-boy. I liked trucks and hot wheels and racing games. I begged my parents for a four-wheeler and a go-kart for I don’t know how many years! I hated wearing dresses and always had more fun shooting BB guns with the boys than playing barbies with the girls. But I never ONCE felt like I was a boy just because I liked “boy things”. There are also boys who like dolls and prefer pink but still feel like little boys. In her case, she felt like a girl.

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