(Closed) I think we live in the wrong country! Maternity leave related.

posted 9 years ago in Babies
Post # 62
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: April 2010

@houstonlawbride: If the law states that buisnesses are required to hold a job for a year the buisness will learn how to make it work. If other countries figured out how to make it work I’m sure that we could do it here. It’s just a matter of making family more of a value in this country.

Post # 63
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: June 2012

@bells: Maybe you don’t visit the doctor much, but I’ve had enough medical problems that health insurance is WELL worth it. Obviously the premiums are set with the expectation that some people will greatly benefit, and some people will lose money (because they wouldn’t have spent that much on medical care anyway). That’s how insurance works. And I don’t even have any major problems, like a lifelong disease or any surgeries.

Post # 64
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Sugar bee

@Mrs. DG: The US has crap for maternity policies because Americans don’t vote for people who will support such policies.   People here tend to vote for the interests of the super-rich, perhaps because we all think we’ll be there one day.

Indeed!

Post # 65
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2010

@babymakes3: I don’t think anyone answered your question yet, but no there is no limit on the number of kids you can have. However, there is a set number of days you have to go back to work before you can go on another mat leave. Every company is different – for mine, it works out to be about 9 months. So if you got pregnant again your first month back at work and worked for 9 months, you’d be fine to go on a 2nd mat leave.

It definitely isnt as simple as “personal responsibility”. The difference between what I pay in taxes up here (33% ish) and 25-28% is pretty negiligible in a year. Sure, if you start saving at 18 to have a baby at 28 and take a year off, you might make up the difference, but its a WHOLE lot easier to have that deducted from your pay and know it’s available when and should you need it. I don’t feel overly bad for the people who pay in to taxes and never use the mat leave  – I am positive there will come a time when they use another service that our taxes pay for that I have never used. Generally, it all equals out, and I wouldnt give up a year of mat leave and never worrying about medical expenses for anything.

Honestly, I am surprised so many people have babies in the US. I don’t know how you do it! The expense, the lack of time off to bond, the stress of worrying about your job when you return… I think unless all I ever wanted was a baby, I’d probably pass.

Post # 66
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: July 2010

@noopnoop: Thanks, that makes sense.

Perhaps this is because I am in a situation where I have no paid maternity leave besides my annual leave, so I’ve come to expect nothing, but I don’t feel entitled to be paid for work that I am not doing. I am surprised at how many people do feel entitled to that. Don’t get me wrong, it certainly would be nice to have a year of paid leave, but it is definitely not necessary.

Post # 67
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

@noopnoop:Unfortunately so many people have babies out of irresposibility. Not saying all parents are that way, but I only know one person who got pregnant AFTER highschool and I don’t know a single person other than myself who waited until after college to have children. They don’t plan the pregnancies. Also people here don’t get sent to collections for medical bills (I don’t think. In Oregon they don’t. I could be wrong on this though) and hospitals HAVE to treat you, but people don’t necessarily pay for their treatment. What are the hospitals going to do? Repossess the baby? Its all sorts of messed up. If I could get away with moving I would.

Post # 68
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

Oh and on another note I pay 30% to taxes and have to pay $150 a month for private health care an extra 45 for vision and 31 for dental because where I work doesn’t offer it. I would love that 30% that I’m already paying to go to paying those bills.

Post # 69
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842 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: May 2012

We get 8 weeks for vaginal delivery, 10 for c-section.  I wish I could take more time, but as other people said I can’t imagine what a year off would do to my career.  In that year you’re not progressing as an employee, you’re not getting raises or promotions, you’re not working on important projects.  I have a friend who just had a baby 2 months ago, and I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets passed up for promotion this year (we only have the opportunity 1x/year) because she was out so much.  Kinda sucks being female sometimes.

Post # 70
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

@babymakes3

Perhaps this is because I am in a situation where I have no paid maternity leave besides my annual leave, so I’ve come to expect nothing, but I don’t feel entitled to be paid for work that I am not doing. I am surprised at how many people do feel entitled to that. Don’t get me wrong, it certainly would be nice to have a year of paid leave, but it is definitely not necessary.

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I am inclined to agree with you, and I am one who has no paid maternity leave so after vacation runs out, I will not be making any money. As I said above, someone will have to pick up the slack while the new mother is out of the office, and it doesn’t seem fair that some people would have to basically double their workload while new mother gets paid to stay home. Don’t get me wrong, if my company offered me any paid time I’d leap for joy, but I don’t feel cheated because my company doesn’t have it (or that my government doesn’t provide it).

Post # 71
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: September 2012

@Tatum: I have taken over maternity leave positions in the past. Most companies here hire someone for the year, no one is taking on extra work while that person is on mat leave. It’s actually great to have mat leave contracts because it gives people who want semi-permanent work the chance to work for a year, or to get their foot in the door with a company. 

Post # 72
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: July 2010

@Ms. Martian: I think the point is that two people are now being paid for that one job. The mother who is at home on maternity leave and the person who is actually doing the work.

Post # 73
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

@Ms. Martian

Yeah, that was mentioned on the previous page, contractors stepping in for the year. I am surprised there are that many people willing to do that- I mean, I would think most people would forsake the contracting work for a permanent job with benefits. Plus, in some situations, the training itself can take months, which means the contractor is only really productive for the last 6 months or so, and the other workers have to spend extra time training on top of their own work. It obviously works out for some, which is great, but I could see how some issues could crop up with that general practice.

@babymakes3

I am not sure, but I think in Ontario (correct me if I’m wrong), I think the mom is paid by government, not the employer. So, technically, two people are getting paid for the same job, but the same entity is not putting out two salaries. If the employer is paying double, than I definitely think that is unfair.

Post # 74
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

@Tatum:People do it for the same reason as taking an unpaid internship here. Most permanent jobs with benefits require experience. Maybe these temporary positions don’t require as much experience and thus they can gain what is needed to get the better job. We have all faced the “How can I get experience if no one will hire me” dilemma.

 

@babymakes3: That isn’t entirely accurate. The business is paying one person to do the job. The person on mat leave is being paid with the tax money she put into the system. Technically she is just getting back some of the money she paid into the government for this purpose.

Post # 75
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278 posts
Helper bee

In Sweden where I am from you get great benefits. Up to I got my son, I worked 1+ years. That made me entitled to more than 1,5  years to stay at home, paid. It’s not insurance. Its basically what I paid tax for. If I during the 1,5 years after that get another baby. You get 1+ years more paid in full. In some cases 2 years. It depends on how you spend your days, you chose yourself how much paid you wanna have (half/quarter/full days paid from the lump sum you are entitled to based on 80-85 % of your yearly income. Some can take quarter days mon-sun and can be stay at home for three-four years. In Sweden they calculate the daycare/creche in accordance with the household income and has a limit to not overcharge. Labour-childcare-dental care are free of charge to the age of 18/21. So I am gladly paying my taxes to know that where ever in Sweden my son goes, he is covered for free (plus he has international health care insurance for 200$ a year. It covers EVERYTHING. Even anorexia/bulimia? ADHD, psychological physical diseases.. 33% in taxes are not much when you don’t need to pay ANYTHING for yourself and children in the first period, and your kids are taken care of till they are grown up. Even school, school material, all that is covered by tax… I love Sweden because of their mentality towards putting family first! 🙂

Post # 76
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

@Corilee13

I get that- and if my choice was a year long assignment or unemployment, I would certainly take the year long choice. But I wouldn’t make a career out of it unless I had to. If taking a long term temp assignment led to a permanent position (or if I found one on my own) I would take that. I would just think the well of people willing to do temp work would eventually dry out (or at least, not be able to keep up with the number of women taking maternity leave who need replacements).

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