Post # 137
I am pro choice and years ago I used to volunteer at the clinic here in town as an escort to help women into the clinic quickly to avoid protesters from their insults and pamphlets. These women were going through enough and didn’t need to be bothered with the crazies outside.
Yes. I said crazies. They would line up around the front with their photos of dead fetus, large crosses and what not. Some protesters even brought their little kids.
It was a damn circus.
Post # 138
If you are pro-life great, Don’t have any abortions. Yay!
What about if you are pro-life, don’t participate in any abortions. Do you agree with that? Or should people who are pro-life be required to perform abortions if they are medical professionals?
Post # 139
Gotcha. I can see that logic. Still shudder a bit at the tought of twins. But that makes sense. I just keep telling myself that statistics are on my side and we probably won’t have twins. I wouldn’t do a selective reduction or anything, but I would not be a happy camper!
Post # 140
We have a Constitution that protects free speech which is what these protests are. That’s an important thing in this country, to me and most everyone here.
If it is true that in your country of AUS you can call the police to come take away anyone who is standing in a public place and saying something that you don’t like, I have to say, wow. But somehow, I doubt that’s the case and I doubt that the police would back you up.
Post # 141
For the pro lifers- you protest to save a life and prevent an abortion. But, why aren’t you also protesting/praying at the children’s hospital/housing projects/everywhere for all the unplanned/unwanted children that you “saved” who are now being abused or neglected by their parents who didn’t want them in the first place?
The pro life state of mind seems so narrow. They’re not seeing the bigger picture. A life is saved when a woman goes through with the birth of her child. But who is then looking after the life of the child after they are born And brought home to an unwelcoming family?
Post # 142
I respect your right to not be ok with abortion and to believe whatever you want. But when you start trying to impose your beliefs on others, which is what protesting or trying to coerce women at clinics is, then you lose my respect.
There are better ways to fight for your cause than harrass women and emplyees at clinics. I don’t go and protest at battery hen farms even though I think they shoudl eb abolished. Instead I lobby industry and governement in a polite and respectful manner to try and change the practices I think are horrible.
Post # 143
In my experience as a medical professional(although I have never worked in the US) a medical professional is not required to do something which breaches their professional ethics, but they must refer that patient for a second opinion. So for example a catholic doctor would not be required to prescribe birth control pills but they would have to refer their patients to another doctor who would.
The vast majority of doctors do not perform abortions because medicibe is subdivided into many different specialitues, and those specialities are further divided into sub specialities. So only doctors working in certain areas of obstetrics and gynaecology would be involved with abortions. If you were opposed to abortion you would not be forced to carry one out.
Post # 144
I am absolutely intrigued by this conversation… Probably the most interesting I have seen on WB. I am also very impressed that it has continued so long without becoming hateful. Props to all of you!
I am pro-choice, and I always have been. I am also very passionately pro marriage equality. I am very curious about how many of you pro-choice bees are pro-marriage equality? Or I suppose I’m wondering if there is anyone who is pro-choice but not supportive of same-sex marriage.
To me, these issues are incredibly similar. I see a lot of people commenting that it is the individual’s choice to do what is right for them, whether you agree with their lifestyle or not. To me, that should apply to marriage as well. Same issue of religion being pushed upon others.
Anyways, not trying to threadjack here, was just curious…
Post # 145
- Wedding: October 2014 - Greenbrier Country Club
Just a few questions:
What do you mean by “impose your believes on others?” What exactly am I doing that is considered imposing? If you think “protesting or trying to coerce women at clinics,” is imposing, then I’d like to know what protesting and coercing women entails.
The only thing you know that I have done is pray and pass out pamphlets. Are you against all pamphlet passing out because it is imposing?
What actions am I actually doing that should be described as harassment? Because if you think pray and passing out pamphlets is harassment, then you and I have two different definitions of the word.
I don’t think I have done anything to harass any women outside of abortion clinics or anywhere for that matter.
Post # 146
I’ll answer, if I may.
1) What do you mean by “impose your believes (sic) on others?”
Your belief is that abortion is wrong. People attending a clinic to have such a procedure have already made that choice. By giving them your view, (Without being asked for it) implied by presence or explicitly through literature, you are imposing your beliefs on to them.
2) If you think “protesting or trying to coerce women at clinics,” is imposing, then I’d like to know what protesting and coercing women entails.
As above, implied view through presence, explicit views through handing out literature, verbal contact, etc.
3) The only thing you know that I have done is pray and pass out pamphlets. Are you against all pamphlet passing out because it is imposing?
In these circumstances, yes. In my opinion, you are giving your opinion to someone who has not sought it. If someone asked you for advice, then by all means, counsel them. These women have not invited you to attempt to influence them.
4) What actions am I actually doing that should be described as harassment?
Harassment – pursuing a course of unwanted conduct. Your conduct was not wanted by these women, you knew this. You knew, must have known that your attempt to influence people would, in most cases cause additional distress. This is harassment.