(Closed) I used to work at an abortion clinic.

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@FutureMrsT1221:  The only things that have been proven to bring down the abortion rate, across countries and across studies are:

– Economic support/opportunities for women, specifically young mothers.

– Easy access to birth control.

– Comprehensive sex education.

If you are not for these things, you are helping to drive the abortion rate up. Period. Everyone, pro-choice and (truly) pro-life, wants the abortion rate to go down. The reality is is that most pro-lifers hate *sex*, specifically sex outside of marriage and they believe women should be punished with motherhood for doing it. The most active and cruel pro-lifers I have met were all middle-aged men who are sexist.

I would encourage you to read this: http://fuckyeahfeminists.com/post/36001048077/prolife-philosophy-quote-stfu-conservatives

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@LoggerHead91207: 

I’m actually not 100% what was in the literature exactly. It was a long time ago. I wish I did know.
Yeah, the risks aren’t why I oppose abortion. ha. That would be kind of weird. I just heard that abortion clinics didn’t give the patients all the facts.

 

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@Anna10-05-2014:  “Is it any of your business what decisions I make?”

Ironically, a woman seeking an abortion could ask you the same thing.

“You may feel justified for saying that I am wrong to protest because you feel that I am being intrusive of someone else’s rights. Or maybe you feel that I am being judgmental.”

No offense meant at all, but you are being judgemental of the woman who seek these procedures. You may not voice that judgement, which is a good thing, but it is still there. And you are being intrusive of a woman’s right to privacy when it concerns her health and wellbeing by protesting outside the clinic.

If you’d like to make a real change in the world, promoting safe sex is a much better alternative. It won’t prevent abortions completely (mostly due to medical purposes, such as the mother’s life being at risk, or due to pregnancies resulting from rape). Less unwanted pregnancies = less abortions. That is a win-win situation.

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@Anna10-05-2014:  Not sure why the links didn’t work for you. Maybe because you’re using a different browser (I’m on Firefox at the moment)? At least you could look at the first one. Hopefully it can help answer some of your questions.

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@LoggerHead91207:  

I think you misunderstood my response.
It was a reply to someone asking me, “Why is it any of your business what decision someone makes? Informed, or not?”

My point is that if they believe I am wrong for being judgmental or for telling someone what to do or not to do, then they are being hypocritical.
If they believe I am wrong because I am hurting someone else, and that is why they are justified in their judgment of me, then they should understand why that feel I am justified. Because they know that my stance is… they are hurting themselves and an innocent child.

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@LoggerHead91207:  Oh, I haven’t checked your links out yet… I meant what we were passing out when I used to go to the clinics. <that’s what I am unsure of.

 

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@Anna10-05-2014:  If you are going to hand pamphlets out because you feel that women should be informed about the risks before an abortion, then it is your responsibility to ensure that that information is accurate. Those pamphlets may have had accurate medical information, but they might have had inaccuracies too – if multiple politicians can proclaim that pregnancy can’t happen as a result of rape, then I think that shows that not everyone in the prolife side is fully medically qualified. 

 

Of course women should be fully informed of the risks of an abortion. There is a basic medical principle called informed consent – that any patient prior to a procedure (or their guardian if they lack capacity to consent) should be given full information about a procedure including risks before they can give their go ahead to proceed. But the infirmation should be given by a qualified medical professional with experience with that procedure. And ideally they should also be warned of the risks of nit having the procedure too, as would be standard practice for any medical procedure. 

 

So apthough I understand your right to peaceful protest, I say shame on you if you give out a pamphlet containing information (especially medical) which is inaccurate without making sure it’s true. 

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@Anna10-05-2014:  I have counseled thousands of women about pregnancy options and have been in the room for thousands of abortions.  Once I hit the 10,000 mark I stopped counting.  The risks related to abortion are always grossly overstated by those who are in opposition.  I actually really liked the link that you found.  It is factual.  THe overall risk of any complication is about 2 in 100.  The overall risk of a major complication is about 1 in 10,000.  Women who have major complications usually have other risk factors.  I can tell you that I’ve never once taken care of a normal, healthy woman who has developed a severe complication.  In medicine, that’s all relative though.  I’ve seen a lot of perforations and cervical lacerations.  Minor in the grand scheme of things.  The uterus is a very strong muscle and it takes a lot to get injured to the point of not being able to bear children.  A women who’s had 4 c-sections has much more uterine scarring than any abortion would ever do.  

I’m responding to you mainly because of the types of questions that you asked about counseling.  I wonder, were you told in your protest group that we somehow force women or influence them in their decisions?  I always ask a woman why they are having an abortion, not because it’s any of my business, but because their reponse is usually very telling about their feelings and their state of mind.  I ask them if they have support for their decision and if anyone is coercing them.  I offer to let them see the ultrasound if they want to.  It’s about 50/50.  There was a really interesting study that came out about this recently.  I always give my patients more information than they need and if she is unsure about anything, I offer support and often make them come back.  I have sent women away to think more about their decision if their not ready (usually after an hours worth of counseling).  

At the end of the day, it’s her decision.  I don’t have a stake in whether or not they have an abortion. Protesters shouldn’t either.

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@Anna10-05-2014:  I understood you. And I can see the argument you’re making as well for it being hypocritical. In a sense, you are right and it is hypocritical to tell someone how to behave. However, when the actions are making someone feel judged or invades the person’s right to privacy, especially about a private medical concern, then I think it should be stopped. Protesting outside a clinic really isn’t helping anyone – all it does it attempt to shame the women who make a choice right for them.

And I don’t think its fair to assume that the women would be unaware of the risks or uninformed about the procedure – many women turn to abortion as a last resort after looking at all the options. Additionally, the information concerning risks should come from a qualified medical official who is knowledgable about the actual procedure – they have ample education and experience to explain the facts correctly, not a group of people protesting outside.

(And just as a side note, you can never be sure why a women is walking into one of those clinics. Some of them offer additional services, such as annual Gynecological exams or birth control perscriptions)

 

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@aliciaspinnet:  Well stated (and I LOVE you username!).

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@call.me.red:  Very well-written. Thank you for sharing your views and experience.

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I am pro-choice, but I can’t imagine how hard it would be to work at a clinic. Dealing with protestors would make me enraged. We have a clinic in my town and there are always protestors there, they also video tape and stand there with their signs about abortions causing breast cancer. For a time (not sure if it still happens) pro-choice people would go down there with umbrellas and escort women in, shielded from the video camera by the umbrellas, or they would block the view of the camera. It’s such a horrendous violation of someone’s privacy and it was a big issue that came up in council meetings, but apparently they are powerless to stop them. It’s harassment, pure and simple. I am sure that all clinics appropriately counsel women and make sure it’s what they want before proceeding, so people screaming at patients on their way in only serves to make it more of a traumatic experience than it needs to be. If they really want to be there, they should set up a little table, get rid of the propoganda, the video cameras and the screeching, and offer non-judgemental advice only to women who approach them. Otherwise, don’t bother.

I’m of the opinion that if you don’t agree with abortion, don’t have one. But don’t harrass people who are seeking the option. They don’t know any person’s circumstances. I am sure people don’t take having an abortion lightly.

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@JenGirl:  I’m from Wichita, and in fact lived less than a mile from Dr. Tiller’s clinic for a few years. Several times I got a postcard in the mail with a photo of a clinic worker and some hateful crud like “Do you know your neighbor is a MURDERER?” written on it. Ugh.

I like to think I have a different perspective on this, since I grew up Catholic, and was heavily indoctrinated into the pro-life rhetoric. I am pro-choice now, but I get why people are pro-life. I really do.

When I was in high school, I did a prayer chain of sorts. We all held anti-abortion signs in a line, but it wasn’t near Dr. Tiller’s clinic. Just another point that not all protests are scream-fests, though I did see plenty of those driving past the clinic at other times.

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@aliciaspinnet: 

 

Meh… unfortunately the pamphlets could have had all sorts of whatnot in it. Shurg. At the time, I just trusted what the group leaders said. It is what it is. I just hope that women who are making that decision are well informed and not told lies by either side of the debate.
I was told that abortion clinics kept information from the clients or gave false information. That is why I asked my question to the OP.
Also, I didn’t hear that it was impossible to get pregnant during rape, just highly unlikely. Which I’ve seen both sides support or deny this.
o are making that decision are well informed and not told lies by either side of the debate.<br /> I was told that abortion clinics kept information from the clients or gave false information. That is why I asked my question to the OP.

EDIT: (Somehow this part got chopped off) isn’t that crazy how one side can say something is a fact and the other side denies it. Bias is a nastly thing. Perhaps that’s what the pamphlets had in them. Those “facts” that pro-lifers know to be fact, but pro-choicers know to be fiction.

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@call.me.red:  Thank you for responding to my question. 🙂 It’s good information to know. I I can’t say that I remember then saying anything about the clinics being forceful. It was much to long ago.

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@Anna10-05-2014:  She was referring to a politician (Todd Akin) who made comments saying that a woman’s body shuts down a pregnancy if she is being raped – pretty sure the term “legitimate rape” was thrown around in his comments as well. By that logic, if a woman is pregnant she can’t have been raped.

Here’s a link providing information regarding pregnancies that result from rape:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248

As far as I know, clinics do not withhold information regarding abortions or alternative choices regarding pregnancies. In fact, I believe a Doctor could lose their license if they did withhold that information because it’s unethical to do so (I’m not positive about that though, so don’t quote me).

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@FutureMrsT1221:  these clinics do not PROMOTE abortion. Wen I went to planned parenthood when I was 20 to get an abortion I was informed of all my options, adoption included. I didn’t need some stranger pushing fliers about adoption on me and I would certainly have viewed groups of people silently praying in my direction as judgement.

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