Post # 77
Mightysapphire- It looks like we are both wrong on this topic. It appears that there are different types of female genital mutilation—some procedures involve the removal of the clitoris and others involve removing other parts of the female anatomy. Feel free to read this article published by the world health organization if you are interested: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/
melissabegins- I don’t have a problem with piercing a little girl’s ear. Ear piercing is simple a hole in the adipose tissue of the ear. Circumcision is a surgery that could lead to very severe complications. That said I don’t think I would pierce a baby’s ears right away just because I would not want to deal with keeping them clean and not infected. For me ear piercing and circumcision fall into very different categories.
Post # 78
I just wanted to add that female genital mutilation (to me) does not seem like the same thing as male circumcision. In Africa, FGM involves removing a young girl’s clitoris, usually in an unsterile environment, to prevent her from having any sexual gratification in her future. It’s a violent and inhumane procedure.
I’m not pregnant (and don’t plan to be for a very long time), but if we were to have a boy I’m 99.9% sure we would do it (I’ve never asked Fiance so I can’t say 100%.)
Post # 79
wow, i didn’t realize the controversy on this topic, probably because it’s pretty much a given for me. we’re jewish, if we have a son he will have a briss. that’s all there is to it, no descusion.
Post # 80
this has been a huge bone of contention between me and Fiance. i think it’s terrible, unnecessary, barbaric, outmoded, and something our son should decide for himself, and he think that a circumcised penis is more aesthetically appealing and socially acceptable in America and worries that our son will feel ostracized or ugly but will have a tough time choosing the elective surgery as an adult (but what if he wants to become an ex-pat as an adult, i say, and moves to one of the majority of countries where circumcision is widely NOT practiced??). all the studies we’ve found suggest that proper hygiene will remove the medical advantage that circumcision *may* have, but Fiance says boys tend to be dirty and negligent of hygiene, and it would be easier to just have it removed. this is a REALLY frustrating topic.
just another reason i’m hoping we’ll have a girl. this, actually, is a major reason i want to have a girl. i guess we have about ten years to sort it out, but we’ve been arguing over it for like a year and a half now and basically are just stuck at an impasse.
and just wanted to comment on all of the “my friend’s husband’s whoever wasn’t circumcised and he was scared to have sex” stuff…i have been with TWO non-circumcised (american-born!) men and they were just fine with sexuality (and never zippered their foreskins into their pants, for that matter, not that you need to have a foreskin to zipper your genitals…anyone seen “there’s something about mary”??). just because someone has a foreskin in america doesn’t mean they’ll be sexually inept or something.
Post # 81
i’m with you, artbee–we’re Jewish, so there’s no question really. i had no idea it wasn’t completely accepted medical practice now or that people would seriously compare it to fgm
Post # 82
@ Daisy: the bris must be held on the 8th day because of Jewish law. The circumcision is the same as if it was performed in a hospital- they should be applying an anesthetic prior. Coming from someone who has attended a Bris, the procedure is very quick, and I have never seen a baby scream as though they were in pain. The last one I went to, the baby cried a little BEFORE it was done (I mean, come on… wouldn’t you cry if someone exposed you to a room full of people?) and then not a peep during/after the actual “deed”. His mom cried more than he did.
Fiance is Jewish, so of course we will be having any sons that we have circumcised.
And thank you, irishcolleen, for providing us with some actual medical knowledge.
Post # 83
EAQ- I agree with about FGM. What I was intending to say is that I view circumcision to be the same practice as removing a female’s clitoris if we could imagine that occuring in a “sterile” US hospital environment- which of course would never happed in the USA.
Post # 84
Anywhere there’s a baby or pregnancy board this question/issue comes up.
I’ve already had my boys. And I got them both circumcised.
Here’s my story.
I used to be a Home Care Nurse.
And of course I had male patients, some of who were not circumcised.
As luck would have it I was pregnant with my first child when I took care of the most memorable one them. A incredibly cranky ex military officer, a very proud man, not much of talker..but a heck of a complainer. He glanced up at me while I was helping him clean up one day when his HHA wasnt coming. And said quietly to me.
“Penny, promise me if you have a boy that you’ll get him circumcised. Because I am so humiliated I could “bawl like a brat” that I require someone else to clean me this intimately now.”
He wasnt my only patient who had expressed strong feelings over not being able to properly care for his “manly bits” (circumcised men do require more diligent personal care)
It made sense to me.
Post # 85
I can see both sides to this issue, however and lots of great, valid opinions on here.
Post # 86
UM, this thread just spawned a debate between Fiance and I. I was asking him what we would do if we had a boy so I could vote on this and he said “No” because he isn’t. Only he IS. Which launched a back and forth that ended with me demanding he pull his pants down and him searching google for pictures of uncircumcised vs circumcised penises. I won.
So to answer the question, yes I guess we will…..
Post # 87
Pom Pom- that’s pretty funny!
Post # 88
PomPom, that is too funny…thanks for the giggle.
Post # 89
Yes, definitely geting circumcized – I haven’t even ever thought about the other option.
Post # 90
although i strongly oppose infant male circumcision, i do not at all agree that the practice is comparable to FGM wherein the clitoris is removed, no matter how sterile the environment could be. it is a fact that healthy males circumcised males can still experience regular sexual pleasure (whether it’s less than those with foreskins experience is debatable). most females can only orgasm from clitoral stimulation. depriving a woman of her clitoris is very likely depriving her of the very ability to ever experience intense sexual pleasure. not to mention that the reasons for FGM are usually moralistic ones that demonize female sexuality to begin with. most male circumcision seems to be done for much less “moral” reasons, and certainly no one is circumcising a male to prevent him from being promiscuous. of course this isn’t the ONLY reason females are circumcised, but it is at least the undertone in many cases.
Post # 91
Well, I have to say that when I saw this thread on the board I was pretty freaked out thinking we were going to have a flame war over it (seen this happen a lot on the mommy board I frequent), but I’m happy to see that we’ve kept it decent.
I voted not sure. Both my brothers were uncirced at birth, but one had it done at the age of 4 because he kept getting infections down there. I don’t see a lot of point to it, but I certainly don’t consider it a cruel practice unless it is done improperly or without anesthetic. It certainly is the best time of life to have it done if you’re going to do it, as I believe it heals better when you’re an infant.
My husband is circed, and he feels that we should circ our hypothetical future son(s) as well, for sanitary and social reasons. Although we’re Christians, my Father-In-Law said he got his boys circed out of a feeling of continuity with Jewish practice. Not sure what I think of that.
I’m planning on doing more research on it, and perhaps compromising on a loose circumcision, where they don’t remove as much of the foreskin. Definitely going to have painkillers for the little guy too, if we do.
This is why I’m glad our first was a girl… more time to think!