(Closed) I'm still confused..

posted 6 years ago in Rings
Post # 3
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2012

Lol, I don’t considering non exisiting, I guess they’re just moissy diamonds instead of natural diamonds? I don’t know lol. Some people really need to make that distinction but IMO I don’t care what you want to call them.

Post # 4
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: June 2012

@LadyX:  They aren’t diamonds at all.

 

They aren’t fake either- but they are lab created so I think people are just saying they aren’t natural – an actual natural moissanite is incredibly rare.

Post # 7
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2012

@Chrysoberyl:  That’s very true! And good point. I really don’t understand why people get all worked up about people calling their moissy diamonds just diamonds. To me a stone is a stone is a stone. But I’m sure some other savvy moissy bee will inform us why they call it what they do.

Post # 8
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: July 2013

@Chrysoberyl:  I looked it up:

Discover the breathtaking beauty of Moissanite, an incredible gemstone that was literally born from a star: having first been deposited by and discovered in a crater created by a meteorite that slammed into Earth some 50,000 years ago. Moissanite is available today as beautiful and unique faceted gemstones in many mesmerizing shapes and sizes.

They take this dust and mash it all together to produce the gemstone…it is very different from a diamond by the sound of it…

http://www.moissaniteco.com/moissanite_history.html

Post # 11
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Bee Keeper

I thought we were pretty thorough in analyzing it in the other thread, but I’ll try to summarize.

“fake” can mean either “simulant” or “artificial, synthetic”. Moissanite sold as gems is always synthetic, so it would technically always qualify as a “fake” on those grounds alone. (things that have absolutely no similar natural counterpart whatsoever -like cellphones or cars- are synthetic by definition, so it would be extremely redundant to point their artificiality out, which is why it would sound odd to. But you technically could).

Also, a great many people buy moissanite as a diamond simulant, so there’s those grounds too, but there are also people who say they don’t use it that way, so this aspect might not always be true for it. However, only one of these definitions has to apply for “fake” to be technically correct, and “synthetic” always does, for moissanite.

Finally, if a natural source for gem-quality moissanite is found and it were to be mined, those wouldn’t be “fake” at all … and from my understanding, they would be a lovely dark green natural gemstone.

When you’re wondering “how can somone say XYZ is ‘not real’?” you have to also ask, “not a real what?” So, the answer for a synthetic gem is: Not a natural gemstone. And the answer for a simulant is: Not the physical substance that it is being presented as, but a different one.

Some bees joke, “no it’s not real… it’s a hologram!” and I am not sure if they get the irony… a hologram is real… it’s a real hologram! Otherwise, what is it? You see, everything is “real” in some sense, but not necessarily in every sense. And sometimes the context is pretty obvious, but if it wasn’t, I refer you back to my previous paragraph. As other examples, “fake leather” is real too… real PVC. “Fake tan” is real in its own way…the person is really brown (well, more often orange), be it by real sunbed or real chemical lotion, but it is not the natural, sun-induced tan. “Fake hair” might even be made out of real human hair… or it might be made out of real plastic fibers. Either way, when a person attaches a weave or toupe, it is “fake hair”, as compared to the hair sprouting out of their scalp naturally. And when a scientist really uses stem cells to grow an ear on the back of a mouse… that is a “fake ear.” So is a real plastic ear from the joke shop. Neither one is the naturally-produced human ear that most of us get two free samples of.

However, as I said in the other thread, I am personally trying to avoid the word “fake” regarding this topic on the bee becase it is a particularly emotionally charged word here. I will be trying to stick to “simulant” and “artificial/synthetic” instead from now on, on here.

And just to head this off at the pass, as it has come up twice before and I really find it distasteful: No, I don’t think human lives can or should be seen in the same way as physical objects, so I will not seriously entertain the idea that IVF, etc., is related to these concepts at all. Human life is fundamentally different than physical objects. Let’s leave babies out of it.

Post # 12
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

@Chrysoberyl:  We must be cut from the same cloth.  Not only did I get the joke but I get your point.  Others can ignore it if they want but I completely agree with you.

Post # 13
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: November 1999

Are lab diamonds fake then?  I mean they’re still pure Carbon, aren’t they?

http://gemesis.com/education/lab-created/

While diamond-growing technology has been around for over five decades, gem-quality results have only been achievable for a few years. There are many reasons to consider a lab-created diamond as an alternative to naturally mined diamonds. Gemesis Diamond Company is proud to create diamonds in both colorless and fancy yellow colors. Diamonds created by Gemesis are certified by leading gemological institutes and cherished by anyone seeking a truly beautiful, environmentally and socially responsible diamond of the highest quality, purity and rarity. Each Gemesis diamond is totally unique, just as in nature. Each one takes months to get to the final polished end point and once the rough diamond is created and skillfully cut and polished, it is just as radiant and distinct as one created naturally.

COLORLESS DIAMONDS

Gemesis’ remarkable proprietary technology allows us to offer you a full line of high-quality, colorless lab-created diamonds. We’re proud to introduce this exceptional choice as you search for dazzling earrings, an elegant pendant or a spectacular engagement ring. Gemesis colorless diamonds are all certified as Type IIa, the purest type of diamond, which is extremely rare in nature. Less than two percent of the world’s diamonds are Type IIa. A renowned example is the “Elizabeth Taylor Diamond,” formerly known as the “Krupp Diamond,” a 33.19-carat Type IIa diamond that was recently auctioned by Christie’s.

How do lab-created diamonds and natural diamonds compare?

Both have the same physical, chemical and optical properties and emerge as rough diamonds. Both have the same hardness, specific gravity, refractive index and dispersion factor; are polished using the same equipment and techniques; and have the same brilliance, sparkle, fire and scintillation. Both are, in fact, diamond.

Post # 14
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Bee Keeper

Yes, technically they are “fake” because they are synthetic, even though the material is the same, like a weave or toupe made out of real human hair (to be exactly as synthetic as lab diamonds, imagine that the real human hair in the weave was grown with stem cells in a lab), and the implied context is vs. the “real” hair sprouting out of people’s skulls.

It doesn’t mean they don’t exist, or are not made out of “diamond”, just like lab-grown stem cell meat is made out of “meat'”, but is still “fake” meat, though it can be eaten.

Post # 15
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: September 2012

I suppose, since holograms don’t exist in nature, they’re fake. Amirite?

Post # 16
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: March 2014

I have a moissanite and when friends and family ask I explain what it is. I don’t like the fact that some people have called my ring “fake” because it isn’t fake, it’s just a lab created stone. I just call mine a moissanite.

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