Post # 32
Is this like from a pawn shop or from an independent jeweler? I could see something like a pawn shop not being able to provide you with specific stats, especially if it’s a pre-owned ring and the diamond is already set. However, they can’t tell you that it’s “colorless” and also tell you that it’s “about half a carat.” If they don’t even know the exact carat size of the diamond, there’s no way they should estimate color in a face-up, already set diamond.
Cut is the most important thing. A well cut diamond will look bigger, whiter, and can help to hide clarity flaws.
Post # 33
Exactly! You are definitely getting what you pay for. If it’s too good to be true, it is!
Post # 34
@avamacbeth: I’m a comparison shopper LOL, so I would compare online diamond dealers like Blue Nile or James Allen where you can put in the shape and price you want, and just see what size and quality of diamond is common for that price range. Also, most of the above vendors have a GIA or comparable certificate which means you’re getting exactly what you paid for.
I started the search for you if you’re interested, just click on the link. I didn’t know the shape you wanted, so I just chose round. (Different shapes can alter a price too. Round brilliant diamonds are normally more expensive due to their popularity.) Feel free to change the shape and price or any of the details to your specifications. 🙂
With the search, you can see basically the size and quality diamonds sold for $1,150.
Post # 35
@avamacbeth: I’m not very knowledgeable about these kinds of things (I did none of the work choosing my ring lol – just told Fiance what style I liked). however, since you asked for ring porn… here is my 1 carat diamond solitaire 🙂
Post # 36
@MakingHerWait: I’ve been reading PS for quite a while now and I don’t think I’ve ever seen advice to get a higher clarity past eye clean, and especially not a higher color. They were the ones who brought me down thinking I needed the higher clarity/color grades, and ended up with an H color. They always push for higher cut quality, which I think is for good reason.
@avamacbeth: I hope you don’t take offense, but I honestly think you need to slow down and do your homework before commiting to this diamond. It’s impossible for anybody (including yourself) to know whether this is a good buy without knowing the proper information. It sounds like you’re buying based on feelings, which sounds romantic and all, but it very rarely plays out well.
I’ll use the analogy of someone buying their very first car, another very substantial purchase. Read this without the words in brackets first:
Imagine if someone came to a local used car dealership (jewelery store) without learning anything about cars (diamonds) beforehand to buy their first car ever. They have never driven a brand new car (seen an certified ideal cut diamond) before. The sales associate shows them a car (diamond) with no papers (certification), only saying it has 20-50k miles on it (colorless range and around a half carat). He shows them the car (diamond), driving around a slow quiet neighbourhood block with no bumps or traffic (jewelery store spotlighting designed to make anything sparkle). The sales associate says it’s a good car. They are excited to start driving (being engaged), so they set up a payment plan and buy that exact car (diamond) without asking anything else, or bringing it to an independent mechanic (appraiser/lab).
Can you see the red flags in the story? Does using the bracketed words change anything?
I’m not saying you have to learn absolutely everything about diamonds, just like someone doesn’t have to know every part of the car engine. I also understand it’s a very exciting feeling ring shopping. But you’re paying a lot of money for a product that’s very hard to understand. So shop around, take your time, and be smart. In diamonds, you get what you pay for… or less.
Post # 37
Yes, a lot of PSers will rec crazy super ideals. But if she’s explicit in her instructions that she’s not looking for those, and that maybe she’s just looking for the best deal for $1150, with emphasis on size (if that is what she truly wants), or on colorless stones, then they won’t shove their own preferences down their throat.
I own a M VVS1, an O-P VS, a F VS2, H SI1 and a G VS2.
My M looks white in most conditions, and my O-P looks white half of the time, especially if from an arm’s distance. What I’m worried about is the original poster getting swindled with a M I1 being sold as “colorless” because she really doesn’t know. Because “can’t you see how white it is? Use your eyes and your heart!” is a complete scam.
I know how to scavenge Craigslist and eBay, but that’s because I know how to battle in the battlefield. And even then, I get wounded occasionally. I’d never send someone who doesn’t know the ins and outs to do it themselves. If anything, she can make a post there to see if anyone would like to search for an eBay deal for her, too. A LOT of posters have been doing that lately. MANY of the seasoned PSers LOVE to go on searches for deals for those with small budgets. There are plenty of people selling their diamonds for great second hand prices during the holiday season, when many are hoping to upgrade.
I mean, look at this one that just got sold: http://diamondbistro.com/category/216/Natural-Diamond-Center/listings/36884/111-CT-Round-Solitaire-Engagement-Ring-14K-Wg-I-1.html
a 1.11 carat that’s perfect for someone who isn’t a crazy PSer with high demands on everything. Eyeclean I1 and J, which can be lied as “colorless” to people who don’t know the difference. For $1300.
I just hate it when people get ripped off.. absolutely hate it. I got ripped off like mad a few years ago, before I learned everything I know. Jewelers can be slimey scumbags.
Post # 38
@madelise: yes I could not agree more. Please Visit Pricescope.com and get their opinions. Those people know diamonds. i would not take any ones opinions on a diamond. There are agency’s that grade diamonds. I would NEVER buy a diamond without a GIA or an AGS certificate. The people on Pricescope are very nice and will help you.
Post # 39
I agree with other bees that a diamond cost is based on much more than color. If you want it to sparkle the clarity needs to be at least a SI2. But thats just me. I think wgen you get an I clariry they are cloudy or have inclusions to the naked eye.
Post # 40
Oh my, there’s just so much to take into consideration… 🙁
Thank you everyone, for the kind words and information.
@plantobee: I did not take any offense to your comment, all everybody did was tell me what I already knew. As you said, I was just guided by my excitement.
Post # 41
@avamacbeth: I think clarity and what not are not the best way to figure it out. If you are on a limited budget (or just being frugal 🙂 ) you need to figure out what is most important to you and then negotiate on the rest.
In my case I told my husband that I wanted a one carat colorless diamond SI or over. Well we went ring shopping with the setting I had and I found out I hated the colorless ones as I could see right down to my brown finger! Why pay so much for something that is so see through? It turned out I was much happer with the K-L diamonds the warmth blended well and was just so gorgeous to me. It also greately lowered the price.
Second I found that a visible inclusion on the face of the diamond was a deal breaker. And it could have no carbon spots, period! Those were annoying to stare at, at best.
My guy took those guidelines and found me a fantastic diamond that is gorgeous, sparkly, not completly see through but not “yellow” either and funnily its an L and I2. The visible inclusion is on the side of the diamond and I can only see it if I am really looking and it is not at all visible from the face of the diamond. He paid about 2K for it. If it was colorless SI blah blah it would have cost a lot more but it turns out money doesn’t really mean much in this case.
What I’m saying is. Look at the one you fell in love with in the setting against other diamonds and figure out which things are most important to you. Really figure out what is a deal breaker for you in a diamond and then go from there. In this case you can only get what you really want if you figure out what you want and go figure it out yourself and then ask. Then once you have figure out you can feel better about this purchase, and honestly no one is ever going to care if you have a “low” quality diamond but you and no one will know or can even get catty about it unless you tell them. So go with what you love truly love and forget about everything else.
Post # 42
@avamacbeth: Take a look under a microscope- although you arent’ going to be able to self-grade the diamond, it should give you an idea.
My .5 carat, J-color, VVS1 (which is super great clarity), and triple XXX (Excellent cut/polish/symmetry) AND GIA certified cost about that much. Something to consider- being that color is only ONE (which many have already told you)….but I shared my diamond specs to give you perspective
Post # 44
@MrsEME: Those are great stats! And you mentioned that you spent the same as my budget? That’s amazng! I’m hoping mine ends up being as great.
Post # 45
@Bjones107: absolutely gorgeous.
Post # 46
@pinkshoes: that’s exactly how this happened for me. it was absolutely gorgrous and as I was comparing it to other possible choices at the time, the sparkle was in no comparison. even under regular lighting! no fancy lighting there.