(Closed) Is it possible for your views on abortion to change???

posted 4 years ago in Adoption & Surrogacy
Post # 136
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Bumble bee
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jannigirl :  so just to remind you, OP’s question was can you change your views. The answer is yes, you can.

Your answer is that personally you won’t or you can’t. 

Post # 137
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Buzzing bee
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MadameHibou :  lol. Is this your attempt to “manage” me? I can State my own opinions and thoughts and your summation really misses the point. 

Post # 138
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Bumble bee
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jannigirl :  misses which point? That you are unable to change your own personal opinions or that you’re just here to fight?

the point of the thread is that OP has had a change of heart, which is perfectly fine. Is she allowed to, yes she is. I’m just trying to bring it back up topic. 

Post # 140
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Buzzing bee
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Ah. Why would I want to change my opinion? The opposing view is barbaric and lacks Grace and kindness and love for Humanity. 

And do you really think that OP was looking for a yes or no answer? It was a rhetorical question meant to generate discussion.

Post # 141
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Post # 142
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jannigirl :  Some would say your view lacks any grace or kindness when it comes to the wishes and health of the mother. You have made your point loud and clear: only one life matters in this debate and its not the mothers.

You want to talk about barbaric, tell me the humanity of making a mother GO HOME to WAIT for her child to die inside of her because, PRO-LIFE.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/04/01/texas-stillbirth-account-2/

Post # 143
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Post # 144
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Katie-Didnt :  obviously the life of the mother place a huge role. The inconvenience to the mother, however, not so much. After all, she’s the one that decided to make the adult decision to have sex knowing full well that it could result in pregnancy. She’s not just some innocent person that… yeah … woke up pregnant through no fault of her own, right? When you choose an action, it follows that you also choose the potential outcomes of that action.

Post # 145
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jannigirl :  Although I am pro-choice, I get offended by how callous some are about abortion. While I disagree with you that it is the taking of a life, I see it as the taking of the potential for life.  It is a slippery slope.  I understand why you are so passionate about this.  

Please try to understand that just as you are passionate in defending the life force of the unborn, others are passionate about defending a woman’s control and autonomy over her own body.

The reason abortion is such a big issue is that sometimes these two very important positions contradict each other.  Just as you will not and cannot change your position favoring the unborn, others cannot change their position favoring the woman’s autonomy.

In my opinion this should always be a personal choice for each woman, but I respect your opinion.  Please try to respect mine.

Post # 146
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DancinDarlin :  And speaking as someone who also has a biology degree, plus a decade of experience working in reproductive health, if you think an embryology class and a few case studies are all you need to know on the subject, I’m not particularly impressed… And man, do I have some stories for you! I’m praying that you have no plans of going anywhere near OB/Gyn or family medicine, and dearly hoping that for your future patients’ sakes you’re less rigid and judgmental on other issues.

What you don’t understand is the terror of a mother with a young special needs child and a history of HELLP syndrome finding out she’s pregnant. What you probably haven’t heard is someone crying to you because her pregnancy is triggering her PTSD. I imagine you haven’t heard from someone who was forced to unnecessarily endanger both her own health and a wanted, viable pregnancy because she had a heterotopic but the Catholic hospital she went to delayed salpingectomy for the ectopic until the tube started rupturing because they considered it an abortion. Or someone with infertility who’s finally pregnant after years of trying but with triplets, who knows selective reduction is their best chance to make it through and have a healthy baby. Adoption has nothing to offer these people. And beyond these types of situations, I doubt you’ve given real credence to people’s somewhat simpler stories about how vital and helpful abortion was to them.

Also, the whole point of representative sampling is that it’s generalizable. Hell, the whole point of research is the pursuit of generalizable knowledge! You haven’t pointed out a single flaw in that study besides the fact that it was a (large, diverse) sample, which is not in fact a flaw. I don’t actually think the question of regret is the most important barometer here, but if that’s what we’re discussing, the methodology is pretty sound.

Post # 147
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slomotion :  Weird Science Fiction hypothetical question is a little cra-cra, honestly. But I’ll bite. Yes. I’d allow them to live.

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Post # 149
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jannigirl :  You’re right. She didn’t get pregnant by herself. A MAN made the decision as well! I don’t see you having the same disdain for a man’s decision to have sex and not take responsibility by walking away from his partner and refusing to pay child support or even threaten and force his partner to have an abortion (which absolutely does happen.)

Again, its really clear which lives you value…

And I’m still waiting for you to explain to me how sending a mother home to wait for her 20 week fetus to die inside of her is humane.

Post # 150
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renierose :  I’m very passionate about women having the ability control their own bodies. Which is why I would Advocate that people not engage in sexual activity unless they know that they are open to having children or they have taken definitive means never to have children. I don’t think that we should be killing people due to timing issues, ever. Being an adult woman means, to me, that I fully accept the potential consequences and probable outcomes to the choices that I make. It seems right and just to me. I respect a woman’s right to govern her life to such an extent that I think that the absolute best way to do that would be with full information, pre thought and planning … engendering the responsibility one must take for the consequences of their actions. Abortion is too high a price to pay so that women can abdicate  their responsiblity for the choices they make. 

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