Post # 17
It is a business relationship. It is not rude to discuss money, and it is not rude to ask about these things, any more than it would be rude for them to say “no, we don’t offer those discounts.”
You might prefer to ask “is your pricing different in the low season?” It’s a little more sophisticated/dignified, perhaps but it’s the same question.
Post # 18
@urbanriceball: Never hurts to ask. I would!
Post # 19
We are having a winter wedding. Here is my opinion. It is absolutely NOT rude (if you find the right vendor…any vendor, doesn’t have to be a photog). We asked EVERY single vendor if they offered an offseason discount. Some people said no, most said of course, and the few that were rude didn’t bother with much of my time. Every vendor we went with we are getting a discount on. All of them.
We have saved SOOOO much money with having a January wedding, and we got an amazing photographer with all the coverage we needed for about half of what he normally charges. SCORE! And don’t just end with their first quote…. our typical convo went something like…. we are wondering if you offer off season discounts… they would say oh yes, here is what we can do, then we would say, oh thats a little higher than we are wanting to pay can you lower it? And the photographer that we ended up with did.
So don’t be scared, don’t let others tell you it’s rude. Cause here is the deal, every wedding vendor jacks up their prices because it’s a wedding. Period. So there is often a lot of wiggle room. And in the middle of winter they will be sitting at home not making money, or they will be at your wedding getting paid a slightly less inflated price.
Post # 20
I asked my photographer if they had an off peak rate as I am having a small winter wedding. Usually his charge is 1200 euros, I am paying 700 euros. He was very responsive and happy to offer a discount immediately. Just be polite and what harm could it possibly be then – don’t ask = don’t get!
Good luck riceball!
Post # 21
Most wont, we do the same amount of work if its summer or winter. Winter does not mean less work. Are you asking all your vendors? Do you ask the food store for a winter discount? Do you ask your DR for a winter discount? Should people ask you to work for less in the winter? How would any of you feel being asked to work just as hard for less money? Just sayin’. 😉
Cut extras or go for less coverage dont haggle and ask for a discount, it is rude. Talk to them about your budget dont just ask for money off, many photographers are reasonable. 🙂
Post # 22
Im a photographer and I don’t think it’s rude. The answer is no but I don’t think it’s rude. Off season weddings are normally more work and people are in a worse mood. The weather is bad, the lighting is trickier, it’s cold, my feet get wet… I’d love to charge extra really haha
Post # 23
I don’t think it’s rude at all. A lot of vendors do a discount in the off-season months. As long as you bring it up in a delicate way by saying something like “our venue is at a reduced cost because we are getting married in February. Just out of curiosity, does photography work in the same way?” If they say that’s not how they run their business, just carry on the conversation normally. Also if it is something they do, they’ll probably just tell you up front if they are reputable.
Post # 24
@Candycane: I’m always confused when people say that wedding vendors charge more because it’s a wedding. I only shoot weddings. How can I increase my price because it’s a wedding if most of us only shoot weddings? Can you explain how that works from your point of view. I’m not trying to be rude, I just don’t understand that perspective and I’d like to. Thank you.
Post # 25
1. I don’t think it’s rude. You never know, they may offer a discount. If you’re on a budget, be up front about it because they may be willing to work within your budget. Especially in wedding “off-season” when theoretically there are less weddings going on.
2. JBBEE- I took that to mean vendors such as ceremony and reception venues, not necessarily photograpy. A lot of times venues will give a price that is good for April through October that is higher than Nov. through March because the most common months for weddings is usually the spring and summer. Ex: http://www.thetrustees.org/crane-estate/the-great-house/rates-and-policies/
Post # 26
@Jbbee: Of course I can explain. Around my area, a typical wedding photographer costs $4000, which would include full rights and printing rights to the images, and 8 hours coverage for one photographer… that’s it.
If you do a simple calculation, that would be $500 an hour for a photographer. Not too many people make $500 an hour other than some top CEO’s. When you break it down logically, it seems a bit excessive.
When you look at that photographers rates for other things, (and many do more than just weddings) say an anniversary, their rates are thousands less.
For my work, I have to plan different parties needing catering (no weddings), I call caterers and ask for rates, and when I say its for a retirement, they say, oh then take of 20-40% off that price.
The fact is, we got lectures from some vendors, and they didn’t get our business. The vendors that did, welcomed us, with a discount, and forthrightness about the fact that they would not be doing anything the day of my wedding if I didn’t hire them.
Hope that clears some things up.
Post # 27
@Candycane: We dont make $500 per hour. Almost 40% of that $4000 goes to taxes alone. That doesn’t count gas, batteries, and other expenses. One wedding is 40-60 hours of work.
So break that down… take $1200 off the top, minus, gas, batteries, insurance, etc. Lets bump that another $200 for expenses. Now its $2600. Lets say 50 hours on your wedding. Thats $52 per hour and its actually high for most per hour, its maybe $15-$25 per hour. A photographers skill, experience, and talent is not worth $52 per hour?
Post # 28
Ermmm you seem to be forgetting that those images you receive are carefully edited?? Photographing a wedding is WAY more than 8 hours work… (I am not a wedding photographer – I just know what they do takes a lot of time outside of the big day)
Post # 29
@urbanriceball: I don’t think it’s ruid our photographer even had the rate or specials listed on the site for off seasons and weekdays. Some you got a cheaper rate other you got 6 hours of photos for a 3 hour package. But we are using a photojournalist style photographer so she doesn’t do much for holiday photos.
Post # 30
If it is not a friend, then it is not rude. The worst that can happen is they say no. Then just move onto someone else if you feel it is too much. There are a lot of great photographers to choose from.
@Styles: of course you don’t clear $500 per hour, but your calculations are a bit biased by only including taxes in one direction. Equipment, car use for business, etc., have deductions/depreciations which reduce tax liability (not to mention the other standard deductions for personal/business). We all have two wages: the hourly/salary gross, and the take home. Wages are usually discussed as gross however. Ultimately I would say some photographers are worth $50 per hour, some are worth more, some are worth less-it depends on the quality of work & the disposition of the photographer.
But, back to the point, it doesn’t hurt to politely negotiate in a business transaction.
Post # 31
As a photographer getting a request for a discount right off the bat implies to me that you are price shopping, and that the art of photography comes secondary to you than a good deal. Maybe that is the truth, but I think you will find that you will be much more successful at negotiating with a photographer if you just are honest and transparent in your request. Tell them you appreciate their work, and are looking to keep your photography budget to X amount and were wondering if that was something they might be able to work with. Or if you do ask for a budget, don’t make it the very first question you ask them.
As @Styles: & @Jbbee:
have pointed out, weddings are not any less work for us during the winter months, and often times much more difficult because of cold weather, dark lighting conditions, and no fewer expectations than summer weddings.
Weddings are extremely high pressure events. There is far more planning and emotion that goes into a wedding than say a corporate party, or any other sort of event photography you’d like to compare it to. A lot of people have very very high expectations on the end product for a wedding. The implication that wedding vendors are running around cheating people out of their hard earned cash simply because we hear wedding and greed begans to flow through our veins is simply not accurate. Walk a mile in our shoes and you’d understand. Retirement parties are not weddings. I can’t speak for every professional involved, but for photography the amount of work that goes into an 8 hour wedding surpasses by landslides that which would go into 8 hours of covering an event like a corporate party.
The other thing to consider is I wouldn’t automatically assume that your photographer is dead in the water during the winter – that’s a regional thing. For example in Southern California weddings are for the most part year round.