Post # 1
I’m going to try and keep this as short and to the point as I can – and I’m wondering what move I should make…
So I work as a front end manager at a grocery store and last June/July we had a change in store managers (not uncommon – the company moves them around every few years) and it was fine at the beginning but as of the past 2 months myself and other associates have noticed that more and more people are being written up all of a sudden and/or terminated from the company but yet very few new hires are being brought in which in turn is increasing the work load tremendously and leaving my department understaffed. I recently found out from the assistant store manager that the new store manager is working on “weeding out” all associates that worked under the previous store manager because they want to have picked their entire staff. That’s one problem because it doesn’t seem fair to be looking for reasons to write up people until they hit the termination limit and the other problem is that the store manager has enacted a policy in which he does not accept doctor’s notes at all and even if an associate has a doctor’s note for the day or days they missed work the absence/absences are not excused and can result in termination if the associate meets or exceeds 6 absences in a 6 month period. Is that even allowed or legal?
So I’m wondering if I should just continue to work at this company until I’m terminated or if I should start the search for another job…it is upsetting to think about leaving because I have put so much effort and hard work into my job and to become a front end manager and I love the majority of my co workers.
Post # 2
sweetkat92 : I don’t think not excusing doctor’s notes is legal, but I could be wrong. Even if it’s legal, the manager is still creating a public health concern because he/she is making a huge incentive for sick people to come in and check customers out, handle food, etc.
It’s better to look for a job while you have one instead of waiting to be fired. It takes some of the pressure off and gives you room to negotiate.
I’d start looking for a new job ASAP. In my experience bad managers only get worse. And this causes a snowball effect where morale goes down and coworkers start to become miserable (understandably).
Post # 3
To be quite frank, does your company have a confidential ethics hotline? I’d report the store mgr not accepting sick notes. It’s one thing to replace staff because they aren’t good, it’s another entirely to do so for ego.
Post # 4
No job I’ve had has ever accepted sick notes, so I truly don’t think this is an ethics concern, or at least not an actionable one. It does like this is a toxic workplace though and I don’t mean to defend it.
Post # 5
RoseandShine : you’re going to have to explain this to me. How can a company not accept doctors notes? If you’re so ill that a doctor has signed you off work then your sick… what’s not to accept (genuine question. I’m a Brit and I’ve never heard of that here)
OP – id look for a new job but also report this behaviour to superiors
Post # 6
- Wedding: December 1969 - Montsalvat, Victoria
I second Twizbe :, how can a company not accept a doctors certificate/medical note? If you are genuinely ill and can produce supporting documentation you are more than entitled to use that leave. FWIW I’m in Australia and have never heard of this before (even when I was younger and working in a bakery/retail etc).
OP, look for a new job with a less toxic work environment. Ideally you want to work somewhere that inspires you to come to work and not dread going in each day – especially dealing with politics like the ones you mentioned above!
Post # 7
- Wedding: January 2021 - City, State
Twizbe : I’ve never worked for any company who accept sick lines from your GP (I’m in Scotland) it completely depends on your companies sick policy.
when I worked for the government I was a trade union rep and they sacked someone for work related stress, she took them to a tribunal and lost because we’d followed the absence management policy.
ive also worked for BT, Sky, Thomas cook and currently a care home who also don’t accept sick lines, my fiancé’s workplace (government again, but different part) also don’t accept them, neither do police Scotland, the NHS and various others
Post # 8
whoswho : but explain what does that mean ‘not accepting’
ok I’m in England and every job I’ve had if your sick for more than 7 calendar days you have to produce a sick note from the doctor.
How can a company not accept a sick note? So if you have cancer and the doctor signs you off can the company just day ‘sorry we don’t believe this medical professional and you have to come to work’
Post # 9
- Wedding: January 2021 - City, State
Twizbe : well they accept it but it still counts towards being sick. I could have explained that better, so for example if you get a chest infection and are signed off for 22 days that’s 1 absence and first stage disciplinary. If you are then off for 1 day because you call in for a cold then that’s stage 2.
if you then go off for cancer and are off for 6 months plus that’s stage 3 and will likely end up in termination as you’ve had more than 3 absences in 12 months.
however if you’re off January 2018 with a chest infection and go stage one and then aren’t off til feb 2019 it just resets.
so while your doctor has said they believe you’re unfit for work your workplace don’t have to take it into consideration at all.
Post # 10
whoswho : ok so I understand now. Like here sickness with a doctors note still counts as a sickness absence. However some things like cancer are counted as a disability from time of diagnosis so are treated differently. Sickness due to pregnancy or disability is also different.
they also aren’t as quick to go to termination. A first trigger of the sickness policy is a support meeting unless it’s a clear faking it situation