Post # 1
After reading this BBC article it got me thinking…. what is the consensus on male circumcision as a baby?
> Germany was shaken by a court ruling that circumcision of minors was harmful, and a violation of a child’s rights.
> One of the most common reasons given for the surgery is that a father wants his son to look the same as him, or is afraid his child will be teased if left uncircumcised.
> In Norway too, the children’s rights ombudsman is now recommending Jews and Muslims conduct a symbolic ritual, instead of a circumcision, and some MPs want a minimum age of 18.
> …many working doctors are afraid to come out against circumcision, fearful that they might lose referrals, the respect of their colleagues, or … be accused of anti-Semitism.
> some argue that religion has acted as a cloak, making male circumcision a no-go area for debate – just as for many years, Westerners were reluctant to condemn female circumcision in countries where it was a cultural tradition.
And some interesting figures: percentage of men circumcised: 75.5% US, 60% Australia, 32% Canada, 8.5% UK. 30% worldwide.
Post # 3
I’m in Australia where circumcision rates are low and it is now advised against. Darling Husband is circumcised but DS is not. My thinking was (and is) there’s no reason to do it and it’s not my decision to make for DS. I’ve also read that it affects sensitivity and I wonder if Darling Husband is missing out on something.
Post # 4
Oy vey. This is going to not go so well. I’ll just say this, I’m Jewish so you bet I’m circumsizing my sons and no I dont think its cruel and I think it’s cleaner. End of story
Post # 5
From what my nursing class has taught me, there is no medical for or against male circumcision, it is purely asthetic and frequently cultural/religious. It is totally unlike female circumcision, which does have adverse affects, is used to have utter control of a females sex life prior to marriage and decreases sex drive and pleasure sensation. Personally, I wouldn’t do it to any sons we have because I have no reason to believe it is any better or worse for them. Generally though, if someone wants that for their child, that is their choice and I don’t believe it is cruel. At least around here, the doctors doing the procedures use local anesthetics, when I have observed them in the newborn nursery, most of the time the worst part was the inital stick to numb, the babies got a pacifer with a little sugar water on it and slept through the whole thing.
Post # 6
Grown men in Africa are being encouraged to get circumcised to reduce the spread of HIV. Interesting. I wish they’d use condoms…
Post # 7
@the boss of you: which goes to show that males can elect do it as adult if they wish to.
Post # 8
@paula1248: Oh yeah, it is elective. My XH wasn’t. Fiance is. I can’t even tell the difference. I’m against it.
Post # 9
I regret having it done to my son 23 years ago. I was a bit naive then and it just seemed like it was the “right thing to do” if you had a baby boy. I think if you teach a boy proper hygiene there should no problem being uncircumsized.
Post # 10
I just want to put this out there now: I am just interested, I do not wish to cause offence or start an argument. I don’t feel strongly either way. I was just interested by some of the statistics and opinions of some doctors and journalists and other professionals in the aforementioned article.
@paula1248: I didn’t know it is now advised against in Australia, very interesting. I agree that it’s a key decision to make for someone else, ones child; I’m not sure I could make that choice.
@google: I hope this post hasn’t come across as anti-semtic. That wasn’t the point. As I mentioned already, I am just interested. I do not judge. 🙂
@chasesgirl: I agree, female circumsicion is awful. I’ve done a bit of research into it in the past as it’s becoming more and more common among the African community in the UK. To the point they bring the “doctors” over from Somalia to perform the “procedure” in order to cut costs. Apparently you can pay extra for a clean razor blade. More info on FGM in the UK here. So sad and destroys lives. To be fair to the article they used the word “fair” as opposed to “cruel”.
@the boss of you: I agree, condoms are the only way to properly protect from HIV.
Post # 11
Well, for some perspective on the other side (non- infant) of the issue, My youngest brother was not circumcised as a baby. Older brother was and dad was. Youngest brother got to middle school and was teased and humiliated in the locker rooms. He got angry at our mother and would say all the time “I wish you just did it when I was a baby, I would have forgotton it by now!” It got so bad that he elected to have a circumcision at age 14. It was rough, painful, and quite traumatic. I don’t really hav an opinion solidified yet, but I would not want my teenage son to have to deal with that.
Post # 12
@paula1248: Good point. And I think this was the point of the Norwegian children’s rights ombudsman, it’s not that their against circumcision, just that it should be the choice of the boy involved.
@sentenced2life: Sorry that you regret you decision, I think you’re right about hygiene.
I think something else I found interesting in the article was this:
In the US, the popularity of circumcision dates back 140 years to Dr Lewis Sayre, one of the founders of the American Medical Association, says David Gollaher author of Circumcision: A History of the World’s Most Controversial Surgery.
Sayre believed that many medical conditions had their root in a dysfunction in the genital area, and that circumcision could be used to treat a startling array of problems, from depression to mental health issues, syphilis and epilepsy.
Circumcision was also promoted as a way of discouraging masturbation, and was regarded as clean and hygienic. It was particularly popular among the higher classes, and was seen as a sign of being well-off enough to afford a birth at hospital rather than at home.
Sayre’s theories were later debunked, but not before being widely picked up in other English-speaking countries…
Post # 13
I don’t think it’s necessary. Fiance is circumcised, but when we discussed the issue when talking about future children he was indifferent, whereas I would lean more towards not having it done.
Post # 14
@PamelaBrit: I feel sorry for your brother. It must have been really awful and traumatic for him.
@Vidya: I think I fall on the indifferent side like your Fiance. My OH is uncircumcised so it’s unlikely we would circumcise any son we may have.
Post # 15
@PamelaBrit: That is so sad. Teenagers can be so cruel.
Post # 16
I know one of my colleagues had a son who ran into some sort of issue as a child, and had to be circumcized in Grade School… it was a god-awful experience for her and her family.
Also know of one grown man who was circumsized (again health related)… can’t even imagine what that was like (my Ex-H was a mess just when he got two tiny cuts to get a vasectomy)
Do know that Hospitals do a good job of it when the child is an infant… and by all accounts babies do not remember any of it.
Also know that there are a lot of women who say they find uncut men are icky, gross, and some claim that the sex isn’t as good because of issues with premature ejaculation because the head is never exposed like a cut man’s to underwear friction etc (certainly have seen those kinds of posts here on WBee)
In Canada we have a large percentage of men who aren’t circumsized… higher than in the USA… they say this is because we have a higher Catholic population base (aprox 50% here). And traditionally Catholics wouldn’t do this (against their beliefs) … while many Protestants did (believing it to be cleaner).
Personally… I am a fan of the circumsized guys for all the reasons I’ve outlined above.