(Closed) Is there a conspiracy theory you actually believe ?

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Post # 196
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Helper bee

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WestCoastV :  I’ve asked this before, but since you seem to be the expert on critical thinking maybe you can enlighten me:

Why do you suppose Oswald was able to defect to the USSR, work in a Soviet military factory for two years and then come back to the US (with a Soviet wife in tow.). Meanwhile most people couldn’t even write private letters between the two countries.

I’m surprised that you never read “The Cheese and the Worms” while at PENN.  If you did, you clearly missed the point.  It’s having a healthy dose of skepticism that shows intelligence, rather than blindly following every piece of propaganda that comes your way.

Post # 197
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Sugar bee
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allywed :  I didn’t say anything about the JFK conspiracy theories. Suggesting the possibility of a political cover up, is very different than denying that a horrific tragedy occurred (Sandy Hook) or making the factually inaccurate claims that researchers & pharmaceutical companies are conspiring to hide scientific advances because curing disease isn’t profitable  

I’m not sure why you seem to feel like my comments were directed at you? I thought it was clear that I was responding to 2 specific conspiracy theories that I find to be offensive and absurd? 

There is a multitude of evidence and common sense to dispute the 2 claims I took issue with. What propaganda are you referring to? 

Post # 198
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: February 2017

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Speck_ :  I absolutely can understand where you’re coming from. At first blush, I was all for helping reopen the office, thinking “yes, THIS is the kind of mindset which which I support!” I may disagree with you, I may lobby or march or protest or donate to business/causes which align with my beliefs and avoid/boycott those which fly in the face of my sense of right and wrong, I may vote differently than you, but I would NEVER support suppression of someone else’s voice by violence and would absolutely fight for your right to have freedom of thought and speech, even if it’s counterproductive to my own thinking. 

Then I saw a tweet which made my heart a little sad because it reminded me that the other side has a point, too – which says “hell no I’m not donating to reopen a place that actively works to suppress my rights, limit minority votes, tell people which bathroom they can use based on what someone ELSE thinks about the gender of the person who needs to pee, and wants to dictate what’s right for my body.” 

 

Post # 199
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Helper bee

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WestCoastV :  you and others have repeatedly spoken in generalizations about “this thread” and logic.  I thought that applied to me as well.

Beyond that, I loved reading this thread because it was very interesting to hear how different people felt, but then the all-knowing PC police got on and started attacking anyone who held a slightly “heretical” opinion.  I don’t see how you people are any different than the Inquisitors.  Sure, you’re not burning anyone at the stake, but you are trying to control how people think by ridiculing those views you disagree with.  There is nothing more oppressive than trying to control peoples’ private thoughts.  How very enlightened of you.

Post # 200
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: August 2013 - Rocky Mountains USA

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allywed :  There is nothing more oppressive than trying to control peoples’ private thoughts

Frankly, if questioning the process by which someone came to a certain conclusion is enough to “oppress and control” that conclusion, then it must not be very rigorously thought-out.  The best and most accurate conclusions are strengthened by having their evidence questioned.  That’s the entire principle of the scientific process.

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Helper bee

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lolot :  questioning someone’s thought process goes both ways.  Can you answer my question about why Oswald was able to defect to the USSR, work in a military factory in Minsk and then return to the US with his Soviet wife?

Scientific inquiry and all, I’d love to hear why you believe that he was the lone gunman.  Because obviously, according to you, the government and media never lie.

Post # 202
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: August 2013 - Rocky Mountains USA

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allywed :  haha, what?  I have no thoughts on Oswald and the USSR etc.  I don’t know anything about it, hence I wouldn’t dare have an opinion on it.  I’m a firm believer in drawing conclusions from evidence and facts.

I agree it seems that there was something fishy about JFK’s assasination.  What exactly that is, I’m not sure.

Because obviously, according to you, the government and media never lie.  Erm, what?  How on earth are you drawing that conclusion from my post.  I think both entities lie quite a bit.  Some portions of them more than others, ahem FOX NEWS.  http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/jan/27/msnbc-fox-cnn-move-needle-our-truth-o-meter-scorec/

Post # 203
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Helper bee
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WestCoastV :  Your previous points and comments are YOUR opinions, they are all not completely factual. You do not know every doctor or scientist in this world, every pharmaceutical company owners, nor do you know or read every piece of research ever done. You can’t say 100% that there is or there isn’t a cure to diseases. 

Post # 204
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Busy bee

I thought this picture was neat. It would be awesome if he was actually a time traveller, lol.

time-travel-closeup

 

Post # 205
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Sugar bee
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mm0601 :  just so I understand- you only believe things that you have personally validated? What things do you believe? What do you accept as fact? 

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Bumble Beekeeper
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mm0601 :  But how would a cover-up work? How could a researcher make his or her cure known to the company/entity which pays the researcher money to cover it up, but not to anyone else? They would have to be working for that company, in which case a cover-up makes no sense: surely the company would bring it to market before their rivals, rather than cover it up and allow the inevitable – that another company or researcher will discover it soon after.

Post # 207
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Bee Keeper
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WestCoastV :  *slow clapping in my living room*

Post # 208
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Bumble bee
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This thread started out fun. But now it’s depressing. Can I get off this planet please? Thanks

Post # 209
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Helper bee
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WestCoastV :  I believe you’re misconstrued. My opinion is that I am open minded. As I’ve mentioned several times, I don’t know if a cure is found and I don’t know if it’s not disclosed for various reasons. You, yourself do not know either so don’t pretend like you do. My opinion differs from your opinion, it’s an opinion not a fact.

I’m done responding to the opinion police. 

Post # 210
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Helper bee
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aussiemum1248 :  Do you know this for a fact? You’re giving one scenario or possibility when theres more to everything. You must know my brother then since you know every doctor and researcher in this world that has ever worked in a lab. 

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