(Closed) It’s official. I’m definitely on the WB terrorist watch list.

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Post # 93
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: August 2010

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@UpstateCait: that is a ridiculous PM to get!!!

Post # 94
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: May 2009

I don’t usually get into these threads, but in defense of the moderators, things have really changed here in the last year or so.  REALLY changed.  A lot of it has to do with such a huge influx of posters recently; WB has expanded, and has a lot more traffic, and that means a ton more “moderation” that has to happen in order to keep this community the haven (so to speak) that it is. 

I don’t think it’s a bad thing that we have such an expansion, but it means a lot more work for the mods and Mr. Bee.  They’ve commented time and again that it’s difficult to keep up with the increased flagging, trolling, drama, etc…  And it’s not like their even getting paid for all this additional effort; they’re volunteers.

I don’t think it’s fair, CaitMarae, that your comments got deleted without any notice; I know you said you didn’t want to create more work for Mr. Bee for something so… inconsequential, but that’s exactly what this thread is doing.  Every time a poster creates a thread like this instead of first trying to work things out privately between herself and Mr. Bee/the mods, it creates more drama and more upset posters and more work overall for volunteers that have already seen a drastic change in their workload recently.

Can we all just trust Mr. Bee when he says they’ve heard your complaints and they’re working on a solution?  Do we have to rehash every single wrongfully flagged message or unexplained PM?  It’s exhausting to read as a poster; I imagine that Mr. Bee and the mods are not only tired of it, but also feeling pretty overwhelmed as to how to actually change anything when every little mistake is continuously brought to light and criticized by multiple posters.  It’s not easy doing this (volunteer) job.  Let’s give them a little break, ok?

ETA:  The last part was directed at the general “you,” not the OP specifically.

Post # 95
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: November 2011

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@UpstateCait: It really is ridiculous! There is no place for ppl like that here. I jut don’t get it.

Post # 96
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: April 2011

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@Mrs. Spring:  I’d agree with you if I hadn’t seen this kind of thing become more frequent and more random as of late.  There has been a marked increase in these types of warnings and deletions from mods recently, which is kind of weird, since more traffic would usually mean mods wouldn’t have time to deal with so much borderline stuff and would instead focus all their energy on the rash of troll outbreaks, sock accounts and flat out personal attacks that have been on the boards lately.  Why focus on well established users that have been here for a long time?  Why not focus on people who are jumping into and creating drama threads within minutes of creating their accounts?

People honestly shouldn’t be getting chastised for voicing their concerns.  Many of us have tried discussing these issues with moderators and have gotten nowhere.  Sometimes public action is needed to get a problem dealt with.

Post # 97
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: July 2011

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@Mrs. Spring: I also would agree with you except for the last part. The problem is that, at least in my experience, there was no effort made on their part. And don’t misunderstand me to be “anti-moderator.” I see a few people phrasing this as being on their “side,” and I think that’s an unfair dichotomy — I think we’re all on the same side of making WB a place where everyone feels comfortable, not just the people who are willing to be quiet and ignore perceived injustice. I went public with my warning in this thread because I did PM the mod and ask to resolve it privately, and I just got NO RESPONSE at all. No explanation.

I realize that moderation is a hard job; I was an admin for a smaller board than this (site traffic was only like 180,000 or something), but it still took a lot of work. I realize that whenever there are multiple individuals involved, there is a certain human subjectivity that cannot be completely removed. I just have the same concerns that have been voice before me — why is that established users are getting “warned” for simply disagreeing with OPs, not even out right personal attacks, when there is so much other drama going on? I truly empathize with the mods for having to deal with that; I just don’t understand their methods, priorities, and lack of consistency.

Post # 98
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Buzzing bee

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@Mrs.Firefly1: If it *is* one person, I’m pretty sure their IP address can be blocked )although I’m not sure how arduous finding that information out would be. 

Post # 100
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: November 2011

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@missfireslayer: P.S. I love Achmed!

Post # 101
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Buzzing bee

To be fair, there seems to be a relatively simple and straightforward solution: have a standardizes set of rules that can be referenced and cited when necessary. That won’t end complaints all together-there will still be people explaining how their comment didn’t *technically break any rules or whatever-but I think a lot of the community discontent is not with the fact that there is moderation but with the fact that it’s so unevenly applied.

Post # 102
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2011

TBO I have seeon some comments on here toward both myself and other bees that a lot of people claim “just being honest” when infact the way they phrase things and the things they say come of very rude and snarky. Sorry, but CaitMarae, you have been one of them. I am sure in real life or with certian people they wouldn’t be taken that way but on here where all we can see are words and have to fill in our own inflections we DO need to watch how we word things. It is the nature of the beast. I am not a sensitive person my any means but I have been offended for other people with they way some of our “innocent honesty” comes off.

Post # 103
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: May 2009

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@Amaryllis:  ETA: and CaitMarae, since I posted before I saw your comment:

I totally agree with bringing your concerns to the larger population if you do not get any response whatsoever from the mods, but don’t you agree that bringing your concerns privately to a mod is best first step?  If every time someone has a complaint they automatically create a post about it instead of bringing it to the mods attention first, all it does is create more drama.  And while I undertsand that both of you had bad experiences, continuously brining up in thread after thread adds fuel to the fire.  It’s not a perfect system; there’s going to be mistakes.  But every time someone has a problem and makes a thread about it, and you chime in with the time you were wrongfully handled, some people take that to an extreme.  You might not have meant to incite the “anti-mod” attitude, but your posts are fueling it.

I think it comes down to whether you trust the community or not?  Do you think Mr. Bee and the mods have the community’s best interest at heart when they make these decisions?  Or do you think they’re all “drunk on power,” so to speak?  That they’re this oppressive force that needs to be brought down?  I do believe we’re all on the same page, as far as making this community better; but these types of posts (and not just talking about you, CaitMarae, because there have been a lot of them lately) aren’t doing anything to better our community.  They’re tearing it apart.

Post # 104
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: November 2011

Trolls need to get a life! Say no to the Toll!

Post # 105
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2011

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@MissHobbit: There are rules and guidelines. And I agree with some of the PP that when a post or comment is deleted, that person needs to be informed and given a reason why. That way we not only understand why it happened but if it was unintentional (or even intentional) we know what we did wrong and can change it. If we never go back to look at posts we commented on we never see if our post has been deleted and thus never know we did anything wrong that might add up later.

Post # 106
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2011

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@Mrs. Spring: I couldn’t agree more.

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