Post # 1
Why do we have the “right to bear arms” but need to have a permit to exercise that right? I dunno, I just got thinking about it.
Ok, I know we do it to make sure people know how to use their weapons, etc. To make sure people who shouldn’t have them don’t. But I was just thinking about how messed up that whole concept is. It’s sad that our world has come to that.
I know it’s kind of a hot button, and I’m not trying to start anything. Does anybody else feel like there are contradictions there?
Post # 3
I suppose it is sad that our society is at a point where it is necessary – but I do think it is necessary. My family is really into hunting and my Dad owns a lot of guns, but he doesn’t have any problem with obtaining the permits because he isn’t going to do anything illegal or dangerous with them…it may be an annoyance but so is getting a driver’s license…
Post # 4
I don’t think it’s a contradiction because the goverment also has the right to regulate these types of things for the public welfare.
This to me is on the same lines of “free speech”. A lot of people have this conception that the right to free speech means they can say whatever they want whenever they want, and that simply isn’t the case. There are also limitations on this, and rightfully so.
Post # 5
i dont think in pa you need a permit to buy them. in vermont you can buy and carry w/o a permit. it varies by state.
Post # 6
I think it’s important to have both.. I mean, anybody can buy a car if you have the money, but you have to learn how to drive it before getting out on the roads. These things can be useful, but also very dangerous. While I’m not a fan of guns, I don’t have a problem with people safely owning them. But I wouldn’t feel this way if any yahoo could buy one, that’s for sure.
Post # 7
ditto troubled, i think the law varies by state… and for those states that do have it, MI included, i think it’s more of a safety precaution that i can appreciate. Fiance took the one day class and he said he learned so much and was glad that he took it.
i guess you’re right that it’s an oxymoron… but i feel a lil safer knowing that ppl in my state needed a permit before purchasing a gun.
Post # 8
I get what you’re saying. We’re supposed to have the right to bear arms to protect ourselves from the government (really), but the government tells us in what way we can exercise that right.
Here’s my opinion… which i realize is wildly unpopular with 98% of americans so i generally keep it to myself but whatevs… just my opinion:
I don’t really care what the constitution/bill of rights/declaration of independence says. At all. Those documents were written HUNDREDS of years ago by a very select (read: non-diverse) group of men in an entirely different world. Things are different now. The world is different. Why should we believe that they had some divine power to know what was right for an entire country of people FOREVER regardless of how the world changed? It just makes absolutely no sense to me to say that something is appropriate because it is the status quo. I think they did a great job designing the laws for the time they lived in, but it bugs me that now, so long into the future, the end-all/be-all discussion is “Is it constitutional.” I think the conversation should be “what is appropriate NOW”
I realize that throwing out the constitution and starting over would open up a whole can of worms and i don’t have a good solution for it… but that those are just my feelings. The bill of rights are not the ten commandments. They are not divine.
Guns are dangerous and we live in a crowded and angry country sometimes. We need control for the safety of citizens. I don’t really care what the bill of rights says.
Post # 9
There is always a line between paternalism and anarchy, but I think that too veer to far towards one or the other would be detrimental to the greater good.
Post # 10
I just find it funny that we regulate this and yet we have millions of criminals on the streets with weapons they don’t have permits for.
I agree, I have no problem getting a permit for any weapon I buy, or the hubs for that matter. We know why we have them and we aren’t using them for anything illegal. Like I said, I get the reasons.
HA! And on the subject of drivers’ licenses…Where are people getting them these days? No joke, the other day a guy turned on his left signal and turned right, then at the next turn he did the same thing. REALLY?! I don’t get it. (think Homer Simpson) DOH!
Post # 11
@corgi – haha, i agree with you. I want to scream sometimes – i mean, the crazy down the block that pulled a shotgun on the tow truck that was taking his car b/c he parked it on a handicapped ramp does NOT need a gun. The government is never going to come knocking on his door. Maybe the police, since he’s a little wild. But there are so many crazies out there that BARELY disguise that they’d like to bear arms on the government. Next weekend / Monday April 19 will be a very interesting day to watch the news. I am so sick of seeing my “patriotic” fellow americans calling our highest officials communists, criminals, hitler, and bringing guns to public events – who’s causing the terror here?
That SAID – if someone wants to own a gun in the country somewhere and can handle it responsibly – whatever. Just be safe, and keep it at home, ya know?
Post # 12
So prob the majority of people own a gun in pa, at least those not in cities, but i’m torn on the issue. My sister goes to vtech and was there when the shootings happened. The guy who did it had a history of mental problems but could buy several guns. I donno, there’s going to be a black market no matter how you regulate it though so maybe crazies will always have access.
Post # 13
I’m a republican, but I think Bill Clinton was a genius to make it illegal for the public to carry semi-automatic assault weapons. It’s one thing to excersize your right to bear arms to protect yourself, but seriously do you need an AK-47 to stop an intruder?
And I’m glad people have to carry a permit in order to own and use weapons. The ‘right to bear arms’ was designed back in the day when it was custom for people to grow up being taught how to use and respect weapons, nowadays not so much.
Post # 14
@modern – I like that though u and I probably disagree on most topics (i remember a few from other threads), I can see that we both come to a moderate conclusion in these discussions! Love differning points of view. I feel like forwarding my state senators the Weddingbee link, haha. This is how you discuss!
Post # 15
@ CorgiTales I agree! Thomas Jefferson even said himself that the constitution was only relevant for one generation so maybe we shouldn’t be so proud about how rarely we touch the thing! There are plenty of good, rational arguments one can make about owning a gun–falling back on the constitution just because you can isn’t really one of them, imo.
Post # 16
I totally agree with you Corgi. I live very close to a city where gang violence is prevalent and I think that while many people are sensible about guns, there are many more that are unstable and should not have access in any way. I think the safety of the majority of the population in this case should outweigh the novelty of guns being available to EVERYONE.