Post # 45
You said you have to meet a trainer against crating: welcome to europe. Personally the first time I heard of putting a dog in a little metal box all day was a few years ago on an american board.
I know ppl say it’s dogs save space to go to. Our dog had that too. 1 under my sis bed and also her own big basket. When the dog was in there we learned to leave him alone.
Maybe we europeans are all hippies but why get an animal that likes to roam to then lock them up? Get a hamster if you want something caged i guess.
Keeping outside dogs outside is normal here if you have a garden. Only complaints come when your dog barks. I wouldnt keep a puppy out cause frankly I wouldnt leave a baby out alone either but once the dog is an adult and a breed that can be out they are left out.
Post # 46
I crate trained my dog. She was inside, in a crate while she was a pup. I only let her outside under supervision and then she was swiftly called back inside. Now, we have a dog door. The dogs come and go in and out as they please. They sleep inside but go outside whenever they need to. I do not agree with leaving a dog outside day 24/7 with no one home. poor dog.
Id recommend you get a proper fence before you get a puppy.
Post # 48
Not all US dog trainers are in favor of crate training. I know quite a few in my area who are no longer encouraging it. That said, I also know many dogs that have done well with it and continue to like the crate even after they no longer need it. Of course it helps if you have a very flexible schedule, which most people do not.
Post # 49
kuko : weddingmaven : yes, I agree re opinions are changing re crating. Our trainer and vet are both against it. That said, attaching a playpen to it gives the pup more space to move around.
To each their own, for sure, and we don’t create for a variety of reasons, but I would love to be able to leave my dude outside to play all day sometimes. Sadly we can’t here, and I’d be afraid someone would steal him.
Post # 50
The reactions here suprise me, must be a cultural thing. I’m Australian and everyone I know who works full time have left their dogs outside all day in the backyard from puppies. My dog was (she’s old with athritis now so we keep the back door open so she can come inside during the winter) and would just spend most of her day protecting the backyard from birds, and sunning herself. I think crate training is cruel if anything – though I know there are people who say their dogs like it.
If you are concerned, why not get an older dog? You could get a one year old or something with a bit more size.
Post # 51
I’m really against crates. Dogs like to be active and I hate the thought of leaving my dog in a crate. Another thing I thought of when I adopted my dog was if there is a fire or something and my dog is in a crate she would not be able to defend herself or escape.
While I would not leave my own dog outside when I’m not home reason being she has separation anxiety and I know she would try to escape to come find me (she has run away from my husband and chased after my car when we first got her). I don’t personally have a problem with leaving any dog outside given they have water, shelter, and can’t escape the fense.
People have dogs as pets in other countries and they stay outside. Dogs are born with instincts to protect themself and they can take care of themself. I am sure your 45 lbs dog will also deter any predators hopefully. I would have a doggy door so the puppy could come inside if he needed to escape.
Post # 52
If I had a yard I’d love to leave my dog out all day. She’d love it.
That being said there’s more you can do than just throwing your dogs into a fenced yard with a porch as a shelter.
I would get a dog run and set it up with a dog house and bed, maybe a pool, some water and some things for fun.
This way they’ll be protected from predators, have a harder time getting out and a harder time getting into nonsense.
I would think about taking them to a doggie daycare once or twice a week or scheduling a walker/ someone stopping by.
Have you considered adopting an adult dog or an older puppy? I couldn’t imagine this kind of schedule working for a 2 month old.
Post # 53
comparing ghe humane Society keeping there dogs outside in runs while people are there checking in on them is not the same as leaving them outside while no one is home.
I’ve also worked for the Humane Society and various rescues and there is no way that they would adopt a dog out to someone who left them outside when they aren’t home. It is against their adoption guidelines. It has nothing to do with treating your animal as a family member it has to do with the fact that it isn’t safe. At all.
Post # 54
Also, a 45 lb dog can still be taking down by a coyote or a pair of coyotes, so I think you are delusional for not considering them a problem for your adult dog.
Post # 55
I haven’t read all the comments but our dog has always been an “outside” dog and it’s never been an issue. He has a sizeable kennel and run to sleep in at night and occasionally during the day, and if we’re not home then he’s not inside. Our dog is now 12 but until I quit my job to be a Stay-At-Home Mom he was walked twice a day and perfectly happy. I should also mention that we have a fully fenced yard with a six foot high fence.
Post # 56
No I would never do it I would never leave a baby dog outside for 9 hours or anything like it . No dog actually. Nor would I ‘crate ‘ any dog ever . I am adamantly against caging animals except for a short term medical reasons.
Can you not install a doggy door? I never had a dog – older or a puppy – who couldn’t learn how to go out to pee etc within days of coming to me.
Post # 57
” bought puppies and kept them outside in the yard while at work all day and not one of them have hurt themselves or died”
Perhaps not , but that is setting the bar for a happy life pretty fucking low in my opinion.
Post # 58
ahartig : I agree about the Coyotes, they can leap a 6 foot fence. One night they had surrounded our fenced in yard, my husband and I had to go outside with the dogs in harnesses and one swinging a baseball bat. They are terrifying.
Post # 59
I absolutely would not leave a puppy or dog of any age outside all day, even in a fenced yard. We have a 6-foot privacy fence around our backyard, but there are some gaps where our yard is not perfectly level where the dogs can squeeze under the privacy panels and escape. We’re trying to find a yard service with some fill dirt so we can fill in the holes, but even then, I would be concerned that our dogs could dig out or something could dig into the yard. Also, one of our dogs recently cut his paw pad while playing in our back yard, and if hubby had not been outside with him, he could have bled for who knows how long.
There’s just too much that can go wrong, in my opinion, especially if you’re out in the country. Something could dig into the fence, a bored or enterprising dog could escape the fence, or one of your dogs could get hurt and be wounded for hours until you come home. I know friends who keep their hunting dogs in outside runs without issue, but it’s not the correct choice for our dogs. Personally, I would recommend adopting a young adult dog that can hold his/her bladder while you’re at work, and have someone check on them once or twice while you’re gone.
Post # 60
I think you may want to consider doggy daycare.