(Closed) Ladies can anybody help me with this diamond certificate?

posted 6 years ago in Rings
Post # 3
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Bee Keeper

@debbieotoole:  I’m not sure what you would find noticable, but I personally would not choose an EGL SI2 grade, particularly with a step-cut stone. Have you not been able to see this stone yet? I think you really do need to see it for yourself.  I would try to compromise on another aspect of the diamond, to improve clarity a few notches, but that’s me. 

In terms of a big blotch in the middle, I can’t see the clarity plot clearly in the photo (it’s pretty blurry on this end), but I don’t see anything in the middle at this resolution…looks like the inclusions are mostly toward the sides. IS the plot showing a massive dot in the middle? If not, then the real thing shouldn’t have one either. If you want a better analysis of the clarity plot, I suggest you upload a photo of just that part of the cert, so we can see it at the maximum resolution you can get it. Even in person, clarity plots usually require the reader’s nose to be inches away from the paper.

The rest of the cert looks good though: The color is an EGL F, which I assume is ~ a GIA G, and that’s a quite nice color. And the size, 1.2, that’s biggie! The cut appears to be excellent (though I don’t know what the ideal proportions are for this shape of stone, but the polish and symmetry are there) and there’s no fluroescence. All of these things are music to my eyes! Smile

I think when you see the diamond in person, you’ll see just how clean it really looks to you. You can also get a solid sense of the color and size. Then you can ask yourself, “for a notch or two up in clarity, would I be willing to go a little warmer in the color? A little smaller in the size?” (I think you may find there’s room to move around a bit in both of those. I wouldn’t mess with the cut elements or fluorescence though).

Post # 4
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2013

@joya_aspera:  +1

personally, id avoid egl just because of the grading differences.

Post # 7
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: July 2011

You can not buy a step cut in an si2 and expected it to be eyeclean, you can’t really buy any lower than vs2. Also, I would never purchas egl.Their grading system is very poor- you can buy a si2 egl and via gia standards is might be an i1 or lower and not eye clean at all. Gia is really the only certification I would go with.

 

I would pass on this diamond, look for gia! 

Post # 8
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@debbieotoole:  Thanks for the better close-up. I see the spot you mean, but I’m afraid I can’t get a good mental image how visible that will really be in the stone. I have to echo the other posters in saying I just don’t trust EGL… they tend to grade too generously but the pattern of generosity is not always consistent, so it’s really hard to guess what the diamond is truly like with their certs.I know you’re in Europe but is it possible to get GIA-graded stones there?

Comments about cut quality decreasing blemish visibility are more related to the case of round brilliants, and maybe radiant-cut fancy shapes, I believe. However, a well-cut stone will always be much more beautiful overall than a poorly-cut stone, regardless of shape.

Post # 10
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: July 2012

Definitely check for yourself, but if it’s not shown on the diagram from the top, then you won’t see it looking down on the stone.  How many people do you know that routinely look at their diamond from the bottom? 

I have a visible inclusion in my stone, right at the top, that is there if I flip my ring on my finger, and not if I don’t. 

Not all of us always have an option to pick better grades of stones, FYI to some PP’s

Post # 12
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2013

@debbieotoole:  If you don’t mind me asking, how much are they asking for the diamond?

Post # 14
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: September 2012

EGL tends to say a diamond has higher color and clarity than GIA or AGS. Step-cut stones also show their inclusions more than a round or princess cut. Excellent cut only helps “hide” inclusions by sparkling and distracting the eye. I don’t think that works with the flashes of a step-cut.  

Don’t buy without seeing it. 

Post # 15
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2013

@debbieotoole:  You can find comparably priced emerald cuts online from the search I ran. In that case you’d be getting a GIA or AGS certified .8+ between H-F color and VS2-VVS1 clarity and excellent cut. I think what it comes down to is what your priorities are in terms of the center stone. If its having a large stone, then you probably will have to go with EGL but remember that the grading you have is F for color. If you want a white stone, you can count on it being warmer than clear white. Also, inclusions are probably going to be visible since they grade higher than AGS or GIA.

When I looked with my Fiance we ranked what was most important. I went with cut, carat, clarity, color. I ended up with a super ideal, .86, VS1, G round brilliant. However, where we bought it from offered a ‘blue’ line which is diamonds with fluoro at a discount. So for the cost of this diamond with very strong blue fluoro I could have bought a .5 with the same specs with no fluoro. Its all about your priorities! I would definitely go see it in person before commiting.

Another good place for you to look for advice would be pricescope. A lot of the people there can also help point you to high ‘value’ stones. I’d definitely check out that board!

Post # 16
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: July 2012

Sure EGL has some sketchy reputations, but not all EGL diamonds are poorly graded. I’ve seen some that were regraded by a GIA person and they were correct. That being said, I’d try to make the trip to see the diamond in person if you can. Maybe turn it into a weekend getaway? Wink

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