Post # 31
I forgot to add….back in the late 80s when I was 5, my mom took me into a public women’s restroom at a restaurant. A man came out of a stall (the restroom was empty except for him and us) wearing no pants and exposed himself to my mother and I. He did it to several women in restaurants all around town. Obviously the fact that there were designated male/female restrooms were of little importance to him. He simply chose women’s restrooms to flash women.
Post # 32
Does anyone really, truly think that making it a crime to go into the ladies’ room if you were born a man is going to stop a single pedophile or rapist? I mean, let’s be real here. Rape is a serious crime. Child molestation is a serious crime. If someone is already preparing to break a serious law, a petty misdemeanor isn’t going to stop them.
Locker room? Um sorry, but I already see all sorts of stuff i don’t want to see in the locker room at the gym. Adding a dick to the mix isn’t going to traumatize me. And predators come in both genders and all sexual orientations. If a man wants to go into the locker room and ogle me, I’ll deal with it the same way I deal with a woman who wants to do it. Some artificial boundary for people who have no intention to break the law isn’t going to be a deterrant for those who do want to break the law.
Why is this such a big deal? Well it’s because the ultra right wing wants it to be a big deal. Because we will spend so much time bickering over who’s taking a dump where, that we won’t notice that Oklahoma is getting ready to criminalize abortion or that Kansas is (still) trying to futher erode voter rights. And apparently it’s working because we have a three-pages-and-counting thread on bathrooms and no discussion of things that actually matter.
Post # 33
I don’t care who uses what bathroom. I do think it would be nice to have more single bathrooms, or at least stalls that are more private, but that has nothing to do with trans people in the bathroom.
I also think the whole argument that pedophiles and rapists are now going to be invading the women’s bathrooms dressed like women is just silly nonsense. Obviously, they’re not concerned about bathroom laws if they’re prepared to molest or rape someone.
Post # 34
That’s wonderful that you feel so open and comfortable changing in front of whoever is standing there…a lot of people don’t…particularly children. I don’t think it is right to potentially make 99% uncomfortable to make the less than 1% comfortable. In schools, a “transgender” child can change in the nurse’s office.
What I think is sad is that the world is more concerned about adequate bathroom facilites for transgendered people than handicapped. There are A LOT more handicapped people in this world than transgendered. What about the 10 year old wheelchair bound child that needs assistance?
Post # 35
I say use the bathroom that correlates with the parts you have. If you’ve had surgery and switched from penis to vag or vag to penis, I don’t care. It’s those that haven’t that concern me, and I say this as something not wanting to put my (currently in utero) kids in any situation that could potentially be dangrous. I don’t have an issue with truly transgender folks (I personally don’t understand it but that’s not my job), but it’s those who might try and exploit the new policies to prey on others that I will not tolerate.
Post # 36
ct2015: There are already laws in place to ensure school facilities are accessible to wheelchairs, though.
Post # 37
LadyBear: I think its all a distraction for something, personally. The media makes an issue out of something like this to distract us to something we really need to be paying attention too lol. ( yes wearing my tinfoil hat today LOL)
And yeah, I dont give a shit what bathroom anyone uses. lol. I do feel for the trans community as all this attention on this has to be hard and scary for them. I also cosign that we should just have single occupancy bathrooms, more privacy, easier for dads with daughters, moms with sons, adults with aging parents ect, parents with adult kids with disabilities, transgendered individuals, and people who don’t like to poop in the vincinity of others.
I want all the pearl clutchers to just be reminded that your kids/ you are more likely to be assualted by a family member or church member than someone hanging out in the bathroom.
Random assaults are quite rare like that.
Post # 38
I am not referring to wheelchairs, I am referring to children/teenagers, even adults that need someone to assist them in the restroom
Post # 39
ct2015: Well you said bathroom facilities, so I misunderstood- needing someone to assist you has nothing to do with bathroom facilities and in my career as an educator, any student I’ve dealt with who needed assistance in the washroom had an aide. I’ve never heard of a student who needed that level of help just left to fend for themselves.
Post # 40
I am sorry, I am not narrowing it down to just schools, I am simply saying in general – there has never been as much emphasis on helping handicapped people as there is helping transgendered when it comes to the bathroom…that was my point. Sure, places need to be “wheelchair accessable”; however, I have friends with handicapped children and if the same sex parent isn’t with the child, it is a problem when they go places.
Post # 41
- Wedding: October 2016 - Wedgewood Las Vegas
Personally, I’m not a fan of the new laws. Do I care if I share a bathroom with a true transgendered person? Nope.
But the ways most of the laws work, is what pisses me off. Lets say there is a man in the woman’s restroom, and he makes me uncomfortable, or does something skeevy. Since I am a white, straight, biological female, I do not have the right to ask him to leave, as the law says he can be there “if he identifies as a woman that day”. I get to leave without using the restroom while he gets to stay.
To me, that’s unfair. I should have just as much right to feel comfortable in the restroom as anyone else.
Post # 42
morganc8: +1 to everything that you just said. I was trying to find the words to say but you said them so well I’m just going to say ditto 🙂
Post # 43
I have two young daughters and I would not care at all if a transgendered person used the restroom we were in. Because there is this thing called stalls! And I will never see anyone doing their business- man, woman, transgendered- whatever- as long as they are doing it in a stall! For the record, I once took my 3 year old into the men’s restroom in an airport because the ladies line was too long. I think I got some looks but no one said anything!
Post # 44
steny03: But the law doesn’t say that you can go into a bathroom and make people uncomfortable and act skeevy. It says you can use the restroom, it doesn’t mean that you can do whatever you want while you’re in there. A biological woman could also be in the bathroom acting skeevy. In that case, I’d tell the person to leave me alone or tell security that the person needs to be removed because they are acting inappropriately in the restroom. I’d do the same thing if someone was acting skeevy and making me uncomfortable in the aisle of the store.
Post # 45
110% pro LGBT.
Imagine for one moment being transgender- the anxiety of not being comfortable or welcome in either bathroom. The very real risk of being assaulted, ridiculed every day. They’re not going into bathrooms to gawk at anyone, they just want to go about their business and hope they’re not putting themselves at risk each and every time. They’re the ones the most at risk in all this.
Unisex and gender neutral bathrooms and changerooms are common where I live, not just for transgender individuals but for a parent or caregiver who is accompanying a child or disabled person of the opposite sex. We have 3 large changerooms at our gym- one is family/ unisex and has single-stall and wheelchair accessible bathrooms as well as private changing stalls with benches and is large enough to accommodate a parent with a couple of kids. Anyone can use this regardless of gender identity.