Leave without pay for honeymoon? Teacher in Sydney.

posted 2 weeks ago in Career
Post # 2
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: February 1997

I teach, but I am not in Australia, so I cannot speak to the laws and protections there. A first year teacher in our district gets 6 personal days. And it has always been the case that a teacher within the first two years is probationary, meaning they can be let go without cause given at any time (indeed, with the laws changing, that is now true almost any time here). Most districts will be willing to work with you if you discuss it with admin, but that again depends on your relationship with them and their overall policy. It is likely you have more job protections in place than we do, given that our state (and country) doesn’t respect teachers the way they should. Look up the policies, discuss it with admin, and decide what you’re willing to risk for your honeymoon. 

Post # 3
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Buzzing Beekeeper

Are you public or private?

And please don’t discuss it with admin. This is the principals decision but I would start with mentioning it with your direct supervisor (whether that be a leading teacher or year co-ordinator basically whatever your school calls that roll). 

Basically this will come down to whether or not the principal wants to approve it because a honeymoon is not seen as a pressing need for leave without pay, especially when planned during school term when you know you don’t have leave. Some principals will say yes and some will say no. The only thing you can do is ask but I would be prepared by confirming that your work will be upto date and lessons planned in detail so that the sub will be able to continue with your classes seamlessly.

Post # 4
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Busy bee

Is there a reason you can’t wait until a school break to honeymoon? That’s what most teachers I know do. My brother married a professor in October and they took their honeymoon over winter break that year. 

Post # 5
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j_jaye :  in my building, principals are considered administration, but I agree about discussing it with your immediate supervisor first. For most teachers, that is the principal, but it could also be a department head or mentor teacher.

Post # 6
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Buzzing Beekeeper

Admin in Australia is the office staff. I see US based teachers use admin all the time for what we would call the leadership team. I didn’t want the OP to walk into the front office and tell Mary the office manager that she needs the time off. Especially since she seems a bit green.  echomomm :  

Post # 7
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Busy Beekeeper

Just do a delayed honeymoon over summer break.

Post # 8
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Honey bee

I have three teachers in my circle of friends (one elementary, one middle school, and one high school) and all three planned their honeymoons for school break – either had their wedding over break and honeymoon immediately thereafter or had a delayed honeymoon.

Granted, we’re in the U.S. and I know other countries are far more lenient with their vacation and holiday leave, but I honestly can’t imaging this flying in any workplace, let alone a school, unless your school district is very relaxed and lenient and you had a position that didn’t require them finding a substitute for you in your absence.

So, I would not be planning on taking two weeks of leave without pay in the first place if I were you.  Nowhere I have ever worked and (I guarantee not in the school districts where my friends work) is leave without pay something that gets approved except for medical necessity or things covered by our Family and Medical Leave Act (such as taking time off to care of an ill parent or adopting a child).  It’s not like “Oh, I don’t have enough vacation hours built up so I’ll just take it unpaid to go on my vacation, cool?”  My one friend was specifically told the expectation was that things in her control (which scheduling a vacation would be in her control) are to be scheduled during school breaks.

Given that you lack both leave accruals to cover the whole time period and seniority, I would either a) reschedule your honeymoon for school break or b) only ask for the time you have accrued or c) ask but be fully prepared for your request to be denied and then go back to the first two options.  I would probably just take a long weekend somewhere immediately after the wedding and then reschedule a longer vacation for school break.

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