Making a Murderer Thread Part 2

posted 2 years ago in The Lounge
  • poll: Is Steven Avery guilty?

    Yes

    No

    Still not sure

    I think they both did it.

  • Post # 2
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: December 2018 - City, State

    Both innocent and someone else in the family/friends circle did it and essentially framed them. 

    And thats been my thoughts from day one. I hate what the media has done with it. I feel for both famikies. Theresas family must feel there is no thought for their beautiful daughter/sister… the media circus takes all the focus away from her.

    I feel for Stevens mother who had battled this and deslt with the repercussions and she looks so ill now ๐Ÿ™

     

    In my industry speaking to a client the way Brendan was spoken to is 100000% coercive and unethical. He sat there and wrote a statement and whatshisface blatantly handed it back and said “thats not true write about theresa”… and then coached him how to draw the pictures of what he saw “now draw this over here, and on that corner draw this”

    That made me sick. Even asking “do you remember the rights I read you last time?” is SO wrong. And thats doesnt mean he comprehends it. 

    Im mad at the whole thing. Theres so much evidence we dont even know about. And yes the Netflix series IS bias so I tend to consider the evidence as mucb as I can. Hence those videos are gross.

    And Ken Kratz can rot in hell. He is grabbing every media minute he can and he sexually harassed mutliple DV victims!!! Scumbag. I work in DV and that make my blood boil. Why anyone gives him one iota of consideration after he addmitted that us beyond me. wtf.

     

    /rant over ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜…

    Post # 3
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    Helper bee

    Innocent or guilty I’m not sure, but what I do know is that there isn’t enough physical evidence to have them both rotting away in prison. I generally think they are both innocent, but regardless of whether innocent or guilty I don’t think that either should still be in prison. There should be a retrial with all of the new evidence.

    I can’t stand Kratz. And I don’t know how anyone could argue that Brendan’s confession wasn’t at all coerced. The kid was 16 with an IQ in the low 80s -come on! 

    Post # 4
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    Busy bee

    I know Netflix is biased sometimes, but the point is they have actual evidence from real experts who said every bit of evidence is circumstantial and the recurring theme is it was not done on their property, it was placed there.

     

    in terms of the victims family I feel awful for them, but surely it must be worse to know you have the wrong person/people behind bars?! Because all that means is that the real killer is still out there AND someone else’s life is being ruined. 

     

    Ive been thinking solidly about this. And I think it’s disgusting. 

    Post # 5
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: April 2018

    I’m currently watching season 2.

    I was absolutely furious after watching season 1 as I was convinced both of them are innocent. My husband refuses to watch season 2 as it infuriates him.

    I still think they’re both innocent 

    Post # 6
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    Bumble Beekeeper

    Those cops were shady AF, and I fully think they were innocent and framed. 

    Post # 7
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    Helper bee

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    Dr_dazzle :  The whole thing is sketchy af. How does he manage to get this blood in the car and mysterious DNA on the hood-latch but not one single finger print is found on the Rav 4?! There is just so many things that do not add up here. And Dassey’s confession… oy. Innocent people with high IQs get swindled into making false confessions all the time. They took advantage of Dassey and used him to try to get Avery. They knew he could be easily manipulated. I can’t believe they are being denied appeals. It makes me wonder how many other innocent people are sitting in prison without Netflix documentaries. 

    Post # 8
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    Busy bee

    I just finished season two and I’m still convinced they are both innocent. It makes perfect sense that the Manituwok County police framed Steven and coerced Brendan into a confession because they were pissed off about the lawsuit for wrongful imprisonment the first time it happened to Steven. The police and prosecutors are completely behind the framing, and I think Bobby Dassey is the killer with help covering it up from the step dad. 

    Post # 9
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    Newbee
    • Wedding: April 2020 - City, State

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    daisy123 :  I totally agree! I’ve been suspicious of Bobby Dassey since season 1 just based on the fact that he lied during his testimony. I’m still completely hard broken over Brandan being convicted as guilty, he shouldve never gotten mixed up in all this.

     

    Post # 10
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    Buzzing Beekeeper

    I have only just started season 2 but I feel sorry for the victim’s family.

    At this stage it doesn’t really matter if Avery and Dassey are guilty or innocent because of the amount of misconduct in the prosecutions case makes it wrong. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial and as citizen’s we should hold our justice system and the people who work in it to a standard that ensures that.

    The keys to the RAV 4 is a prime example- after multiple searches of the property with photos they suddenly appear?

    Manituwok County should never have been involved in the case once a link to Avery was highlighted due to their conflict of interest.

    The Dassey interview was a joke and the detectives were clearly leading him and should never have been allowed to appear as evidence.

    Brendan’s step father or the victim’s ex boyfriend are my pick for the murderer with the Manituwok police using the murder as an opportunity to settle a score and stop the huge payout to Avery. The ex boyfriend inserted himself into the investigation which was always suspicious to me.

     

     

    Post # 11
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: December 2018 - City, State

    Whole thing makes the justice system look scary as hell. The ladder Brendan is climbing and being rejected on repeatedly.

    I really wanna know the answer to “where is the blood on the cement?”

    One of the the prosecutors on Brendan made it such a big sickening deal to talk about that but theres 0 evidence of blood from the attack they say took place…!?!?! 

    (btw I binged on both oarts 1 and 2 when 2 came out so it was all in my head and I have information overload… the sniffer dogs info for one…. wow!!)

    Post # 12
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: December 2018 - City, State

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    j_jaye :  Im very disturbed by those images found on the computer too… Its a huge red flag to someone escalating but it could be unrelated – either way they were detailed as underage images is there not something legal for that? is it Bobbys or the stepdads?

    Post # 13
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    Helper bee

    I believe they’re innocent.

    But, looking at the facts, it doesn’t really matter if they are or aren’t – there wasn’t enough evidence to convict them, and the fact that the state continues to push for Brendan to stay in jail when the Writ of Habeus Corpus was granted and stayed by the 3-judge panel, shows an incredible amount. The state knows they can’t just let this go because they messed up and don’t want to take the fall for it.

    I did more than watch the documentary, I actually read case files, interviews, etc. and there’s no way that they weren’t framed. And there’s no way they committed the crime.

    Post # 14
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    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: August 2012

    I’m from the area and believe SA is guilty as sin. I literally don’t know a single person who doesn’t think that. Brendan I believe was an unfortunate accomplice, but I really don’t think he has the mental capacity to be held 100% accountable for his actions.

    The guy was a monster before any of this ever happened, and still is.

    Post # 15
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    Helper bee

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    Westwood :  Can you at least explain why you think he’s guilty instead of ‘he was a monster?’ What EXACTLY makes you think he’s guilty?

    Being a bad person doesn’t make you guilty. And being guilty doesn’t excuse planted evidence.

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