(Closed) Male’s role in abortions (Play nice now!)

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Post # 151
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Buzzing bee
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@chasesgirl:  Women often have just as well paying jobs as a man.

Uh, no.  We earn, on average, 77 cents for every dollar a man does for doing the same work.

Everyone keeps saying “it’s different” for a man and woman…

That because it is.  Men cannot get pregnant.  Ever.  We can.  Pretending that we’re similarly situated is nonsensical.

Post # 153
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Buzzing bee
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@chasesgirl:  See photos above.

The man does not pay for the fetus.  He is not legally obligated to contribute to the financial needs of a fetus, embryo, zygote, etc.

The actual baby, though?  Yeah.  Because, like it or not, there is now a helpless little person who didn’t ask to be here that needs to be cared for and would not have existed but for a man contributing sperm.

A baby and a fetus are not morally or legally equivalent things.

Post # 155
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Busy bee
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@chasesgirl: The fact of the matter is that the majority of people DO have sex outside of a marriage. So you can hope and pray as much as you want that sex will only occur between a married couple but you’re living in some sort of fantasy land if you are using that as the basis for your argument. For the sake of being logical, even if you don’t like it, you MUST understand and take into account the fact that people who are not committed have sex, for fun, with no strings attached and that they are perfectly within their rights to do so. People who save sex for marriage ARE in the minority, so your opinion on this is really limited to an even smaller portion (accidental preganancy within people who save sex for marriage) of the minority you are accounting for. Which, makes no sense at all.

Post # 156
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Busy bee
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@chasesgirl: “A poor helpless baby wouldn’t exsist but for a womans egg and a mans sperm and the woman willingly maintaing the pregnancy to a term where the fetus becomes a viable baby.”

Facepalm. Editorialize much?

Post # 157
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Buzzing bee
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@chasesgirl:  Which would bring me back to the argument that, when there’s an actual baby, its interests override.

That is, that no solution that allows either parent to completely abadon the child is a fair one, because it forces the person with the least amount of power in the situation and who had no choice about being in it to bear the most harm and suffering.

Post # 159
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Buzzing bee
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@chasesgirl:  The problem with that argument, as I see it, is that there’s a third, completely innocent party who also has to “deal with it.”  And that’s not fair. 

Post # 160
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Buzzing bee
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@sarahRN:Who’s to say she didn’t take those precautions? Who’s to say the man said “ya I’ll  take care of my responsibility” to increase his chances of getting lucky and then bolted when an unintended pregnancy occured? So your theory would protect men who said they would contribute and somewhere (once to late to abort) changed their mind. Now the woman is soley repsonsible at no fault of her own.  – Fair enough but who’s to say HE didn’t take precautions (i.e. – condom)?  Who’s to say the girl didn’t agree to abort an unforseen pregnancy and then “changes her mind” to try and trap him  I mean really?  If we are going to protect the woman’s rights, we should protect the men’s as well.

But she should not have to live with the consequences of a “mistake” when it took two people to make that “mistake”, so because it’s her body she gets to make the decision again because it is her body. – But that’s JUST IT, SHE doesn’t have to live with the consequences of her mistake, SHE can get an abortion.  Again, all the dad can do is sit and wait to see whether he has to live with the consequences of the mistake.  The WOMAN gets to choose the destiny of all three parties and choose to take responsibility or not and the man has to do whatever she says despite protecting himself, having an open discussion about the consequeneces and making his choices really clear.

Post # 161
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@VegasSukie:  Shit happens and he deals with the consequencee (ie: child support).

We don’t make law around what might’ve happened in this one specific instance that happened to my friend one time or that I read about on the internet.  Actual babies need actual food so actual fathers pay money for it.  Social policy cannot be dictated by the paranoid fantasies of men who believe that their one night stands are all out to milk them for the princely sum of $280.00 a month. 

Post # 162
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@VegasSukie:  We all know where babies come from.  He can keep his dick in his pants if he’s that concerned.

It really is that simple.

 

 

Post # 163
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@chasesgirl:So why do women get to? How is it different? And I call bull on a man being better off financially. It is 2011 not 1950. Women often have just as well paying jobs as a man.

You’re right it seems absurd that in 2011 women make less then men! But it’s the truth, google it. Also, if you’re a pregnant woman you’re going to make even less (as a woman, and as someone needing maternity leave).

Your concept only works in an ideal world, which will never exist. So we can only do the best we can, which is provide the best possible future for the outcome of an unintended pregnancy – which is making a man who is 50% responsible to pay financially. It also doesn’t work, no matter which was you slice it, it’s unfair to atleast one party. So you don’t believe in abortion… a pregnancy occurs but the man shouldn’t be forced to pay for the outcome (the child), and the woman has the right to give the child up for adoption, which she does. She still goes through the health risk of carrying a pregnancy to term, physical/emotional changes/financial burden/ so on and so on. So that’s sounds pretty unfair to me as they are both equally responsible?  But if the woman carries the pregnancy to term (because in your ideal world there’s no abortion), then only she is soley responsible and not the man? Hmm doesn’t add up does it?

[Just on a side note: Not only men pay child support. Woman pay child support as well.]

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@VegasSukie:

Crayfish, that’s a very valid point I didn’t even think of.

Vegas is saying that men should be able to relinquish any responsibility for the child, becasue it is only fair, men don’t have the option to abort.  Let’s for the sake of this argument, that’s true and men can technically “abort,” it’s only fair right? 

So what if the man didn’t want to abort, what if he wanted the child?  Isn’t it only fair that the woman carries the child for him?  I don’t see why not when I use your logic, Vegas.  Becasue you are taking the choice away from the man to have the child when you let woman abort.

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