Post # 91
i didn’t read through all the posts. but if your company is over 50 employees, you are allowed to take 12 weeks of leave under FMLA. it is a different story if you cannot afford to take LWOP.
my company, the federal government is even worse than yours, it gives ZERO maternity leave. i would have loved to have 4 weeks. better than nothing.
i have to use my own sick and annual leave.
the US sucks with maternity leave.
Post # 92
LilliV : daycares around here start taking babies at 6 weeks.
Post # 93
Westwood : I wonder if it varies by state? Regardless, it’s all way too soon!
Post # 94
Maternity leave in the us sucks. I got 12 weeks unpaid with my first. And I mean full 12 weeks no pay. I had no vacation/sick saved up. Figure out what expenses go down when you aren’t working. We didn’t need gas/tolls for me which ran 200-250/mo. Car insurance dropped for those months because I didn’t have a commute vehicle. Food costs dropped because we ate at home more. We were able to cut a ton of expenses with me home that made it all work. I would look at what you’ll be able to cut and then start trying to set aside money to cover any gaps now. Good luck and congrats!
Post # 95
zzar45 : My post was based on an article from the Interdisciplinary Journal of Applied Family Sciences. An article from their October 2016 edition. They actually examined the effects of South Korea as that is the country they targeted; however, others were addressed.
My 1.3 was just using Spain, Greece, and Italy, the first countries I came across when I pulled up Europe to give some numbers… I didn’t figure out a technical average. My apologies on not doing accurate math.
Post # 96
Time Magazine had a story in June on it that was pretty interesting (but it’s time and not a Journal) http://time.com/5291439/west-population-problem-white-nationalists-policies/
I also cited an article earlier that studied South Korea. However, here is an evidenced-based research article that studies European countries https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3000017/
Post # 97
jessig2b : It isn’t just your maths that is inaccurate it was your entire post. Spain, Greece and Italy are not the European countries with the most generous maternity benefits and are certainly not the typical countries people mean when discussing parental leave in Europe so it is interesting that you used them as ‘proof’ on your theory that “Europe” only has better policies for parents because they are trying to bump up their birth rate.
Post # 98
US leave really does suck. And I’m sorry 🙁 we get 18 weeks at minimum wage from the government (regardless of what income you were on before) but if you have been at your job for a year, they are obligated to keep your job for you. What that means is that the majority of women end up taking up to 8 months or so of unpaid leave, not just 8 weeks. It is a choice, of course you don’t HAVE to take the year but it’s almost the opposite here where you are judged if you don’t take the year
It does suck and I do sympathise. Yes I got 18 weeks but that was at a lower rate than I was earning and following that still did 6 months unpaid. If it’s something you want to make happen so you can have the 12 weeks off, you just have to start planning for it now. You’ve made a decision to start a family and sacrifices begin immediately. Start budgeting. Think of ways to cut costs. I actually found I spent LESS money day to day when I wasn’t working. We couldn’t maintain the lifestyle we had before, we didn’t eat out as often, didnt spend as much on people’s presenys. we racked up a bit of a credit card debt and I didn’t buy new clothes for myself for almost a year (just to name a few) , but we made it happen and are about to do it again next year. Difference being this time I’m in a fixed term contract role so won’t even have a job to come back to whether I take 2 months or 1 year off.
Good luck and I hope you make it work so you can spend time with your bubba!
Post # 99
zzar45 : I have cited 2 research articles that discuss family policy as a means to increase fertility rates and a magazine that also did an article on this issue (for those that prefer easier reading). I do not feel my entire post was inaccurate. A developed country needs a 2.1 replacement fertility rate to sustain itself. (Not citing as that info is common knowledge found all over with a quick google search) Therefore, those European countries that implemented family policies when their fertility rates were much lower than they are now, demonstrates that my post and the research articles I posted may not be entirely inaccurate. The US has a high immigration rate so I do not see us needing family policies anytime soon, which is a shame. I would love for the US to incorporate some better family policies (especially paid leaves) into federal law.
Post # 100
jessig2b : excellent research & clear thinking. I think others just maybe have a hard time incorporating this news into their own world-view. Idk. Seeing as how they offered nothing by way of research other than “most people aren’t thinking about the European countries you listed” spiel … which is a pretty bold claim, btw. Personally, when i think European, I think of the 3 you listed, but that’s just me. Your explanation makes sense, btw.
Post # 101
jannigirl : Personally, when i think European, I think of the 3 you listed, but that’s just me. Your explanation makes sense, btw.
So when comparing US maternity leave to European maternity leave you actually think of the European countries with some of the least generous maternity leave? Seems odd to even compare that then. What would be the point?
I do not have a problem incorporating news into my world view, I have a problem with people taking things that apply to a small number of countries and then claiming that the main reason that EUROPE as a whole has maternity leave is due to a desire to increase the birth rate. The poster stated that if the birth rate was similar to that of the US then European countries would “lose this benefit”.
I am sure if European countries ever get to a fertility rate near the US they will lose some of these benefits, especially since the government funds most of their medical.
According to the poster the B R of the US is 1.8. In the UK it is 1.8, in France it is 1.92, Sweden 1.85, Ireland 1.8. Do any of these counties have any mainstream politicians pushing to reduced maternity leave because they have a birth rate similar to the US? NO
Post # 102
zzar45 : I do think you have to consider the size of the countries in Europe compared to the US though. Most are a fraction of the population of the US. While I completely agree the US needs better maternity leave, it’s not as easy to implement new federal policies when you have a population of 325 million versus 6 or even 60 million. I think that’s why we have recently seen a push at the state level to increase benefits (NY, CA, MA for example). Hopefully other states will follow suit.
Post # 103
Westwood : I agree with that. I think the main reasons is culture and attitude though, if America can’t even get to grips with offering proper sick pay and holiday then they will never buy into maternity and paternity leave as a nation. America is just too right wing ultimately. The idea of doing something that benefits society as a whole just isn’t as appealing in the US compared to other countries, the question always seems to be “why should I pay?”.
Post # 104
I agree that USA can’t be directly adapting policies of smaller European countries just due to the difference of the size. I also agree that it is more cultural. Indian and China are more populous counties and their have better maternity leave benefits. I know it is arguable wether or not companies follow them due to history of violations in those countries but they have put the legislation I place.
But I think the cultural attitude is the main factor. ” Why should I pay for others life decisions?”. I’ve heared this argument before when discussing the proce of educatiobln. Whereas elsewhere culturally we are taught that we all benefit paying higher tax even if there are services we don’t use. Fox news recently did a segment where they compared Denmark to Venezuela in their socialism without a distinction between social democratic policies and straight up socialism. This is the propaganda that is fed through the media.
Post # 105
Just jumping in to say I WISH my job paid for 4 weeks of maternity leave. I got 12 weeks, completely unpaid. I used 10 vacation days and took out a short term disability policy to cover another 4 weeks (2 week waiting period) and the other 6 weeks were unpaid.