(Closed) Minnesota Bees! Vote NO!

posted 7 years ago in Legal
Post # 19
Bee
1902 posts
Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: June 2012 - Franklin Plaza

I am not from MN either, but am curious as to why we shouldn’t provide ID to vote. I’m asked for ID for the most ridiculous things, but not when it comes to something incredibly important like voting for my nation’s leaders? Wouldn’t it cut down on voter fraud?

Post # 20
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3771 posts
Honey bee
  • Wedding: December 1999

I am not saying I agree/disagree, I take mine with everywhere. But those are the arguements against. I know some people have complained about students at college being able to vote while they keep their address at their parents house, or something along those lines as well,but don’t fully understand how it works.

Post # 21
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3552 posts
Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2014

I voted no twice. While I was waiting a couple was trying to fix their registration because they had moved a few blocks but were still in the same voting precint. They had all of the necessary utility bills, but their licenses still had their old address. The sign in lady was giving them a hard time until an election official yelled at her that she can’t ask for their id. Then the lady behind me yelled ‘put that away they can’t ask for that’ and a guy in line ahead of us was like ‘yeah we’re voting on that today they can’t id you’. Basically needing id disenfranchises elderly, poor, and young (college) voters because they can’t get/afford/don’t have the right id. I just moved from out of state a few months ago and haven’t updated my license yet, if I had had to show id I would not have been able to vote.

Post # 22
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1154 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: March 2014

@strawbs:  Also, I read the ID would come at no cost (of course nothing is free but will be taxpayer funded). I’d have to look it up as I’m not a Minnesotan but read it in passing.

Post # 24
Bee
1902 posts
Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: June 2012 - Franklin Plaza

@artichokey:  “A woman who changes her name in September but didn’t get her new ID until October wouldn’t be able to vote.”

I was given a temportary ID until my new ID came in the mail, I am assuming that would be sufficient.

Post # 25
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1044 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

@artichokey:  This!

It’s all about limiting people’s access to voting. Especially since some id’s won’t be accepted. For example, my Future Mother-In-Law who is 78 wouldn’t be able to vote today since her license is expired and she cannot get to the DMV to renew her ID. 

Minnesota is so low on Voter Fraud that it’s almost laughable that it’s on the ballot.

Post # 29
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9129 posts
Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: August 2013 - Rocky Mountains USA

Here’s the deal with why requiring ID to vote should not be allowed.

– The argument for it, is that it prevents voter fraud.  However, voter fraud is NOT a problem in this country (except for maybe absentee ballots, but that’s another issue). An exhaustive study found 633 cases of it between 2000 and 2012, out of millions of votes cast.  http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/09/voter_id_laws_a_state_by_state_map_reveals_how_much_voter_fraud_there_is_in_the_united_states_almost_none_.html

– However, requiring ID to vote would disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of people, every election.  I know this seems silly to we people who are middle-class, and decently or well educated.  But many, MANY people who live in densely urban areas don’t have a car, so they don’t have a driver’s license.  They don’t travel internationally, so they don’t have a passport.  Often, they literally don’t have the few dollars it costs to get an ID.  (And thus, requiring an ID is equivalent to a poll tax, which is an age-old way to suppress the vote among minorities and the poor.)

– One study estimates these laws could suppress 700,000 votes from young black voters.  http://research.blackyouthproject.com/files/2012/09/Youth-of-Color-and-Photo-ID-Laws.pdf


– Another study found that 11% of potential voters do not have current government-issued IDs, and they are far more likely to be minorities.  http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf

– Because the people without IDs biases heavily towards minorities, it’s obvious that these laws would help one party and hurt the other.  Regardless of your affiliation, that should not seem fair.  

– Voting is a basic American right. Voting fraud is not a significant issue in this country, and so we should not enact any bills that prevent hundreds of thousands of people from exercising that right.

Post # 30
Bee
1902 posts
Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: June 2012 - Franklin Plaza

@artichokey:  Thanks for clarifying! I know it doesn’t affect me since I’m not from MN, but I’m very curious about it. (I still personally think it would be a good idea, but at least I better understand the issues surrounding it.)

Post # 31
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

@artichokey:  Exactly! It is indeed a tougher sell because I don’t think people know the ramifications of voting yes on this measure. It’s easy to think- “oh yes, voter id’s, this seem s like a good idea”, unless you really learn what’s at stake.

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