(Closed) Moissanite confusion-Difference between a forever one and a neo?!?

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Bumble bee
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emb35543 :  One consistent complaint about C&C F1, is that the cut can be hit or miss. Some are amazing, some are pretty bad. MoissaniteCo posted a video recently that only 1 in 6 C&C was found acceptable. NEO are very consistent and, if you buy from JHollywood or another experienced retailer, they will hand-select the stone for excellent cut. The same is true of C&C, only buy througha picky retailer. A LOT of people prefer MoissaniteCo Hearts and Arrows over the F1 due to the cut. NEO is newer, but I find the cut competative with MoissaniteCo Heart& Arrows. The facet pattern is differnt, so spend some time comparing videos.

MoissaniteCO Video: https://www.instagram.com/p/BNKiDB1F6CK/?taken-by=moissaniteco

Supernova vs. Forever One vs. Neo.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJafPtzA4iO/?taken-by=jhollywooddesigns

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJA_JjkA_EQ/?taken-by=jhollywooddesigns

https://www.instagram.com/p/BI-BQLKg8pi/?taken-by=jhollywooddesigns

MoissinteCO H&A

https://www.instagram.com/p/BM97XXwl0zC/?taken-by=moissaniteco

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Bumble bee
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I think it is a matter of personal taste at some point. If you look at page 7 of the thread below, the ber bought 4 different moissy. Kept the NEO and diamonna. NEO is was cheapet. But, others prefer the moissaniteco hearts and arrows. RayKay has a stuning 3 stone moissaniteco hearts and arrows and favors that cut over others she’s owned.  

Any ever hear of Diamonna gem?

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Just to add to the mix, I personally like the new Amora Gem Soaring Hearts and Arrows, but RayKay has seen both that and the MoissaniteCo and like MoissaniteCo. The Amora’s hearts a bit less prominant that the MoissaniteCo H&A. I also think the Amora tamps down a bit on refraction, so is a bit less sparkly than the H&A (so, closer to diamond to my eye), but RayKay feels her H&A behaves just like her diamonds. So, I think the differences may have become quite slight.

As an old-cut lover, have you looked at Old European Cuts? https://www.instagram.com/p/BNGjmxYFR_1/?taken-by=moissaniteco

Here are some threads from bees about various moissy…

MoCo H&A – https://vimeo.com/189247589
Amora SH Eternity – https://vimeo.com/189247588 {Chickenn preferred and kept the Amora between these two}

Read more: http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/ag-soaring-hearts-vs-soaring-hearts-eternity/#ixzz4RUOy2lZF

MoissaniteCO H&A: http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/its-finally-here-1-25-ct-f1-ha-moissanite-pic-heavy/

F1: http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/my-6-5mm-1-ct-forever-one-moissanite-picsvideos-advice-appreciated/

RayKay’s 3 stone H&A: http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/questions-for-moissanite-owners-or-moissaniteco-purchasers/ {page 1}

 

 

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glitterysala :  The problem with the Amora Gem’s new cut is that the table is severly undersized, much smaller than a diamond.  The reason this is the problem is that makes the table reflection in the center stone of the stone very small, and pushes the broadest parts of the arrows directly under the table.  The result is that when you look directly into it, more than half of the center of the stone is covered by black arrows (and they are much darker and more prominent than any of the other Moissanite stones mentioned here).  Its unnatural looking in my opinion.  H&A diamonds are not cut this way. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if it hinders the optical properties and results in a less brilliant stone.  Previous AG cuts had poor contrast, resulting in some owners complaining about a foggy appearance.  BTD keeps trying to re-invent the H&A cut, but keeps falling short with their exoctic type cuts (their certification that claims that every cut is ideal for Moissanite isn’t worth anything as its not even made by a real lab).  If you are looking to replicate the diamond cut, the AG isn’t the way to go.  I am pretty certain given the small table, it wouldn’t grade as excellent or ideal according to diamond standards.

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glitterysala :  I agree with PP. AG doesn’t compare to these new cuts that are coming out. I’ve seen multiple AG’s in person and can attest to the foggy/whiteout/fuzzy effect PP is talking about. I’ve also had an issue with the dark arrows, if anything I would say the arrows stick out like a sore thumb, whereas the Neo/Diamonna/MoCo H&A seem to look how diamonds do with their arrows!

Also chickennn saw what we are talking about and sent back the amora! He ended up keeping the Neo and the Diamonna. (They both were so similar he literally couldn’t decide. Neo is the cheaper one though!)

I found these videos of the Neo, it looks spectacular! 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJ5Zw8Eg5CM/?taken-by=jhollywooddesigns

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNcPwtBgg2b/?taken-by=portcityjewelers

 

ETA: I did see the first Soaring Hearts cut which was great when it was in prime lighting, but it still had those same issues listed above in some lighting. The arrows were still too large, and it would do this weird white out thing and the arrows would go black. From what I’ve seen the new Soaring Hearts Eternity cut has just gotten worse though.

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Bumble bee
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  • emb35543 Well…now you have even more to consider! We all agree that the NEO and the Moissanite Co look lovely.

Sounds like mixed reviews on the Amora Soaring H&A (or Eternity H&A). From what I understand (and I certainly don’t speak for BTD), they are trying to tweak the cut to make the Amora more diamond-like, which they believe requires are different cut that a diamond since they are different minerals (diamond vs. silicon carbide). So, I expect if they ever get the math just right on the Amora, it will be different proportions than a diamond. They seem to be aiming for diamond-like appearance and performance, which would tamp down on the refraction, but accept that you can’t use the same math as a diamond (as was used in the early moissy). But, we’ll see how is all shakes out. Glad to hear other opinions.  JHollywood has mentioned another moissy-like product, Lustour, so I think the debate will continue. 

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Busy bee

Plus it really is all in the eye of the beholder. Some LOVE the AG and it’s exactly what they wanted, some don’t. That’s probably why everyone always suggests, if you can, to order the stone and see for yourself!

I actually talked to jhollywooddesigns via email and she said that Neo basically did what 

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glitterysala : is saying AG is trying to do. They cut the Moissanite to look more like a diamond (in performance as well as cut) It’s a different chemical makeup so technically it’s a different cut than a diamond but it ends up appearing basically the same!

Also I found another comparison vid! The MoCo h&a is in the middle and the diamond is on the right! (classic moissy on the left)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXIKQuM4Vd4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fm5IzvyV1A

 

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bklyn18 :  great video.  If you compare the two Neo Moissanites, the one in the middle is cut much better than the one at the top.  The one at the top has a fisheye: the entire table goes darkish as she moves it, and it also the table reflection in the middle looks unusually dark.  The one in the middle however is cut very nice and looks like a H&A diamond for sure.  If you compare to the videos MoissaniteCo has been uploading to Instagram they are similar. 

About the AG, they are now at version 4.0, I believe, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a new variation comes out in the near future once they realize the current one is flawed too.   What I found crazy is that people are willing to pay such a high premium and wait months or years for it. 

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msdenise123 :  I guess the top one is G-H colored and the middle one is D-F colored! But I agree the top one looks off in that video, however in the second link (portcityjewelers) it’s the same G-H stone so maybe it was just a weird video in the first link?

Yeah I can see why before people would wait and pay premiums for AG, but there are so many well cut options at this point there’s just no reason anymore. I think a lot of people just got “AG is the best moissy” stuck in their heads and haven’t even looked into other options. Crazy!

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bklyn18 :  Ageed. It was C&C vs. BTD for quite some time. Now, the moissy keep coming and getting better. It will be intersting to see if there will be a impact on the value of diamonds, which are already at a low, or there will simply by two markets that don’t compete.

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