(Closed) Moissanite. Difference between Moissanite, Amora, Asha

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Post # 3
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: April 2014

Moissanite is a lab-created gemstone used as a diamond alternative because of its hardness, sparkliness and near colorlessness. When it occurs naturally (rare) it is greenish or yellowish-green. Moissanite is created to be as white as possible but it still is not colorless. Unenhanced, in a round cut, it’s probably about a K-N equivalent on the diamond scale.

Amora is also moissanite, but treated to be whiter. It is whiter than unenhanced moissanite by a few color grades, but nowhere near white enough to be D-F. It is costlier than unenhanced moissanite.

Asha is cubic zirconia with a diamond coating meant to make it more realistic as a diamond simulant. It is usually available in F-H colors. Because it’s colorless CZ, it’s available in more shapes than moissanite. Moissanite is unsuited for some cuts (e.g., emerald) because it will show too much color.

Ring Bearer is the modern round brilliant cut, the one you may recognize from diamond pictures where 8 arrows are evident in the stone. Moissanite is not yet cut with enough precision to show arrows, but BTD (the company that makes Amora) has claimed it’s come up with a way to make a hearts-and-arrows, whiter moissanite called Amora Gem. It isn’t available yet due to a patent challenge.

OEC is an antique cut (old European cut). It’s an older cut that has chunkier facets instead of the splintery facets in the round brilliant.

Since you want D-F color, your only option from these is Asha. I would also, if I were you, look into precision-cut CZ without a coating as personally from everything I read about Asha it isn’t necessarily worth the premium you pay for the coating.

Be aware that CZ can scratch and cloud over a long period of time, and that it appears dirty faster than a diamond does, so you have to clean it more frequently. The price, though, means you can replace it easily if it ever appears less than gorgeous!

Post # 4
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Helper bee

Don’t be confused by the ‘Amora enhanced Moissanite’ and the ‘Amora H&A gem’

Despite their names, they are different.

Amora enhanced Moissanite is a moissantie with an amora enhanced coating which makes it look whiter. It used to be called MIRA moissanite.

The Amora H&A gem is a brand new gem created by BetterThanDiamond and it’s not available just yet. Due to a patent, it is illegal to sell this gem in the USA, most of Europe, and Australia. I THINK you’ll be able to buy it in Canada soon but it’s not 100% confirmed. The ban is until 2015 but they’re working towards getting it lifted.

The Amora H&A gem is supposed to be better than diamond in many ways. more info can be found here http://betterthandiamond.com/categories/Amora-H%26A-Gem/

Post # 5
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: June 2011

Moissanite is a gemstone made of silcon carbide, whereas Asha is a CZ diamond simulant; therefore, moissanite is its own stand alone gem and Asha isn’t. Asha is harder than most CZ’s because it has a diamond coating, but it still isn’t as hard as moissanite. I believe moissanite is a 9.25? compared to a diamond being a 10 on the Maid/Matron of Honor scale. Betterthandiamond.com and moissaniteco.com both have great education pages for moissanite (I think moissaniteco’s is more helpful). BTD.com also has information on Asha. 

Amora can mean two things (confusing, I know). Right now, the only Amora that is available is a treatment for moissanite that makes it show less color. In the future, (the estimate is 2015 for the US) there will be an Amora gem for sale that is an entirely different silcon carbide gem. According to all the info (available at BTD.com) it will kick moissanite and Asha’s butt, but it isn’t available for years. 

If you want a D-F color stone you would have to go with Asha. Even enhanced (Amora) moissanite only comes rated as high as “H”, and it will be rated as an “I” for 2.5ct and larger stones. However, you may be surprised at how much you like it anyway. I considered myself very color sensitive, but I loved the loose 3ct Amora moissanite I ordered that was rated as “I”. I am in the process of having it set, and they are supposed to show even less color when set than when they are loose. 

All Amora enhanced moissanites are chosen because they have an excellent cut. I don’t know about Asha, but I haven’t heard negative things about their cut (except for the step cuts like emerald). OEC is an old european cut, which is an antique cut. It is available in both Asha and moissanite, but it is hard to find Amora enhanced OEC moissanites sometimes because they sell quickly. However, if you are worried about color, you should know that OEC’s show more color. I’ve heard they are more J-K according to size rather than  H-I, but I can’t personally vouch for that. The Ring Bearer cut is different in moissanite (Amora or not) than the Ring Bearer cut for diamonds. Some people claim to be able to tell the difference with a naked eye. Maybe they can, but I certainly can’t and neither could my jeweler. From what I’ve heard, the OEC cut is the same either way. All Asha cuts are the same as diamond cuts from what I know. 

I considered all three of these stones as well. I decided against Asha because I am rough on jewelry, and I was afraid it would hold up. I decided against the Amora (not moissanite) gem for the time being because it is not available for several more years, but I may upgrade later if I’m not over the moon with my moissanite. I chose moissanite and had it Amora enhanced because it was important to me that it was as colorless as possible, which is why I chose the Ring Bearer over the OEC cut. I would definitely recommend Amora enhanced moissanite, particularly in the size stone you are considering. 

I don’t know if you want to pass the stone as a diamond, but I chose to so it was important to me that it was not “off” looking. I can’t tell the difference when compared beside a diamond of similar size and color (2.5-3ct;H-J color range) and neither could my jeweler. We mixed them up to be sure, and he had to measure them to ensure we weren’t wrong about which was which. 

Sorry for any typos, I should be getting ready for work so I was in a rush. I hope this helps!

Post # 6
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: April 2014

Moissanite is a gemstone made of silcon carbide, whereas Asha is a CZ diamond simulant; therefore, moissanite is its own stand alone gem and Asha isn’t.

I’ve seen this a lot on the boards and I have to say, it sounds like some kind of pro-moissanite propaganda. Why do people say that cubic zirconia isn’t a gemstone in its own right, is it to shame CZ wearers? CZ is a created gemstone with its own properties just like moissanite is.

Post # 7
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: May 2014

@Over the Moon: Because moissanite occurs naturally. Just as diamonds and sapphires do, but you still get lab-created sapphires and diamonds. CZ does not exist in nature -at all. It is purely man-made, constructed in a lab. The whole chemical structure of it is created by man. The checmical structure of diamond, sapphire and moissanite exists in nature, and is recreated in a lab.

Post # 8
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: January 2010

Your questions have been well answered already, but I would just say again if you really DO want that high of a colour based on your own preferences from seeing stones, you should stick to Asha for now, or wait or upgrade when the Amora Gem is available. It will be about an F, and Less (from Better Than Diamond) said sometimes it may even be an E. Further, you should also go with an Asha and/or wait or upgrade to Amora Gem if you are set on a H&A cut, as moissanite currently does not come in an H&A cut. Not all round brilliants are hearts & arrows though, and this is really a preference thing! Round moissanites do have quite a different cut than “excellent” or “ideal” cut diamond rounds. !

However, if the reason you are going for a higher colour is because you think it is “better” and have not actually see lower colours with your own eyes, you may want to try ordering an Amora-treated moissanite and an unenhanced moissanite to look at them in person in whatever cut you are thinking of, and even an Asha to compare (you can always return them!). I actually LOVE LOVE LOVE lower colours. Colourless stones do nothing for me. I have an unenhanced 2ct OEC moissanite (off being set now) and the lower colour works great with an antique cut, in my opinion (the Amora Gem apparently will now be cut with an OEC but to me F is too high for me, in that cut especially!). I also have a pendant and studs with unenhanced OECs on way. It is closer to the K/L colour grade, from what I have seen. The Amora-d ones are more of an I/J. Obviously there is a market for higher colours though, or so many would not be so excited about the Amora Gem, or buy Ashas! And the higher colours DO work better in some cuts (like step cuts). I also do not like modern cuts (like the RB) in a low colour, however, the Ring Bearer does tend to face up much whiter anyway.

People will also recommend to stick to Asha, Amora-ized and wait for Amora Gem if you are colour sensitive, but this is only if you do not want colour, obviously. You can be coloour sensitive and WANT lower colours!

I actually do think Asha is better than “regular old CZ”, but if you choose not to get Asha, you can also look at WinkCZ, or check out Sparkling Lizzies, etc. The Better Than Diamond forums have lots of posters who have examples of many types of CZ, in addition to Ashas.

OEC (Old European Cut) and Ring Bearer (Round Brilliant) cuts are quite different even if they both have the same round shape in its boundaries, and it is totally a personal preference/style thing which you prefer.  The OEC has an open culet, chunkier facets and will show more body colour – the flashes it gives off are also chunkier. It also has a smaller table and a higher crown. A Ring Bearer cut is more about smaller flashes of light, more “light splinters”. It has a larger table and a lower crown. It fits better with what you generally see in rounds these days. The OEC is an antique cut, the Ring Bearer is a modern cut. It is all personal preference, really. You can look at Better Than Diamond for lots of example of both cuts.  The moissanite OECs are a bit harder to get in larger sizes as they are not cutting many (antique cuts generally do not sell as much as modern cuts), though if you are happy with a 1.5-2 ct unenhanced I see them pop up on Moissanite Co often (I think there are actually some there now), though if you want an Amora-d one, you will have to contact them to get one of those Amora-ized or be put on a wait list.

Post # 9
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Helper bee

@Rebecca Bloomwood:  They already covered it, I just wanted to say that I love your username!  Tongue Out   I’ve read those books so many times!!!   My username is also from a series of books.

Post # 11
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: June 2011

@Over the Moon:  I have nothing against Asha. I’ve just read this info in many articles and I’ve never read about natural CZs. That’s not to say there aren’t any or that I’m an expert. I really don’t know a ton about Asha, which is why I referred OP to BTD.com. I actually considered Asha myself, but the lack of durability I read about turned me off. I am way too rough on jewelry for that, but I would love to have the color of Asha. 

Edit: Another thought, you may be right about the “stand alone gem” thing being pro-moissy propaganda. I didn’t look into it very much because I don’t plan to tell people my stone isn’t a diamond, and I wouldn’t have if it was an Asha either. I just mentioned it because, even though it doesn’t matter to me, some people care. 

Post # 14
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Newbee

Hi all. I  posted this elsewhere, but I thought it would apply to this thread.

I am struggling with Amora vs Moissanite vs Asha, too. I just shot of video of all three together (unfortunately the camera work is a little blurry at times!). It’s amazing to see all three compared under different lighting conditions. Outside, each stone sings in its own way. But under other lights, they look very similar. What do you all think?  Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHqf8JsYDSs

Post # 15
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: February 2012

@Over the Moon:  Yep that is a common misconception that’s been giving CZ a bad rep for ages. CZ is it’s own gemstone as much as moissanite is.

Post # 16
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: February 2012

@obsessivebee:  CZ does not occur naturally very often (it’s rare, similar to moissanite) but can be made in a lab (just like moissanite).

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