(Closed) Moissanite or Diamond???? HELP!!!

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Post # 77
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

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@DeathByDesign:

All the hype about diamonds is pure marketing, at least to the extent the hype is at. The only reason 99% of women are wearing diamond engagement rings today is because of clever marketing. Before De Beers launched their huge marketing campaign less than a century ago, all gemstones were considered equal candidates for engagement rings.

Wow, that’s a blanket statement. I wasn’t going to respond.  But I saw this and was quite taken back on the attack of a diamond.

Not to be to blunt, but I just can’t help it.

You do not own a diamond engagement ring.  And that is fine, I support everyones choice of e-ring as long as they are happy.  But again, like deliciousblueapple stated, you somehow think it’s okay to blanket statement borderline personally attack another group that HAS a diamond.  

I own a diamond ring, are you saying I’m in that 99%?  It insults people that you are insinuating that 99% of diamond owners cannot think for themselves.  That’s pretty high.  I think you’ve been under a lot of attack with this post, but I think the line needs to be drawn.

OP- Please pick what makes you and your Fiance happy! If you’re both on board with either route then that’s all that matters.

 

Post # 78
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

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@deliciousappleblue: What is wrong with saying moissanite has more sparkle than a diamond? It DOES, it’s an optical property. Stating the fact isn’t an insult. I have a white sapphire I am setting into my e-ring, it’s LESS sparkly than a diamond. I prefer that and really moissanite was never in the cards because it’s TOO sparkly for me. Everyone is entitled to their preferences and to state facts as they are, not to take someone else’s preferences as an insult.

There is almost no way to phrase a preference that does not shine a spot on the potential negatives of the alternatives. And when people are seeking advice, it’s best to put out there the thought process behind the preference. 

I really want someone explain why they picked their diamond over a moissanite, or a white sapphire. I am not trying to be snarky, I just think that it’s a needed perspective.

Is it because moissanite is too sparky? Is it because they wanted something from the earth and not lab grown? And come on, someone needs to just fess up that they want it because diamonds have some sort of social value that makes them happy! There is no crime in wanting something for this reason! I bought a smaller apartment because I wanted the high end address that came with it. I have no shame about that. It brings me joy and isn’t that the point of any non essential purchase? To bring joy?

 

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Blushing bee

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@Mrs.Firefly1: I think what deathbydesign was trying to say is that the DeBeers monopoly was responsible, through its marketing strategy and business practices, for diamond engagement rings becoming the norm.  Many people today just equate a diamond ring with engagement…it doesn’t make them unable to think for themselves, it’s just what they have been exposed to.  As a result of this exposure, most people end up with a diamond engagement ring.  There is also the issue of stereotypes portraying women as being crazy for diamonds, which feeds the normality of buying diamond engagement rings (but that’s a WHOLE other ballgame, lol).

Post # 80
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

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@Rubies: I agree. If you look at the charts to compare the two, moissanite does have more fire and brilliance than a diamond. Moissanite is tougher than a diamond. I don’t see how anyone would take that as an insult against diamonds. 

I think people are too sensitive on both ends. Diamond owners complain that they are being attacked and non diamond owners complained they have to defend their choice. I really could care less what anyone feels about my choice to go with moissanite. What’s there to be upset about? Usually it comes down to someone saying, “well…moissanite is fake anyway.” and then follow up with the argument that it’s lab created. 

A lab created diamond shares the same chemical make up as a diamond from the earth. Can you tell the difference? One just grows faster. A lab grown moissanite shares the same chemical make up as moissanite found naturally. So it’s not fake. Natural moissanite is just super rare and not found in large enough amounts to make jewelery. 

People should be confident in their choices. Nowadays we have access to tons of information online and people are becoming aware of their choices. I should be allowed to say why I’m against the diamond industry without offending someone just as a vegan can say the reasons why they don’t eat/use animal products without pissing off a meat eater. There is no difference. 

Post # 82
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

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@izziebear: lol Thank you! Thank you! No…seriously. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. ^_^ 

Post # 83
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Newbee

I find some of the comments in this thread that attack moissanite owners and the other thread about lieing about moissanite extremely off-putting.  I was first drawn to this board because of the threads I read I found bees to be very polite and supportive of eachother.  Recently this has not been the case in the ring forums.  Bees have been downright rude and tactless with pointless attacks that are not constructive, only harmful.  There have been several people who have tried to keep the peace, and I applaud them; please keep it up.  For me, however, it is just not enough.  I am going to find another wedding board to partake in because this isn’t a safe environment to be open with personal subjects.

Best wishes to everyone here ๐Ÿ™‚

Post # 84
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Worker bee
  • Wedding: December 2011

I see alot of good points in this thread from both sides. But the bottom line is you cannot ever ever throw stones if you live in a glass house. Everything has an adverse affect on the earth, society ect..

NOW. I do agree. If someone were to start an “I LOVE DIAMONDS” thread I guarantee you some people will come out and start saying why they are bad and over advertised. Diamonds are more popular period.. we all know this Moissy’s are beautiful and making a mark.. but we don’t have to explain to people why we love either of them. Also, someone said above ^^ that Moissy would love the kind of recognition Diamonds have.. it’s true. SO basically, just shut up and love what you have but stop making threads about it!! this is suppose to be a happy board ๐Ÿ˜›

Post # 85
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: September 2011

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@DeathByDesign:

 

I seriously doubt that. Diamonds are so expensive and rare for a reason. I prefer my small 1 carat over a 10 carat Mossy ANY DAY. Why? Because  diamond and rare and comes from the earth. That’s a beautiful thing in itself. Mossy are not as expensive because its not a rare. It was be made. Durability, yes it is. Hard to break, yes it is…but so is a piece of thick brick metal. Hard and Durable. So it doesnt mean its better. But like I said, its all about personal opinion and what makes YOU and ur man happy. Who gives a rats ass about anyone else. Make sure YOU are happy with it. Hell if my man proposed to me with a ring pop, I would still marry him. LOL ๐Ÿ™‚

 

Here is an article I read on Moissy:

Diamonds and Moissanite appear identical. Both are clear stones with a brilliant fire. One is very much cheaper than the other.

Which should you choose?

One look at the prices and moissanite seems like the better buy.

Then again, diamonds are way more expensive because diamonds are natural gemstones that are rare and are mined from the earth itself. Diamonds are precious. The moissanite you see in stores is actually an artificial gemstone. Often used as diamond substitute as they look very much alike. Diamonds are rare and precious while more moissanite can be made any time to meet any demand. Diamonds are an investment. Moissanite is well… decorative

 

 

 

Post # 86
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: February 2012

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@Asia_Leone: Diamonds are not nearly as rare as you think they are, though. That’s another De Beers invention. More diamonds can be pulled out of their stockpile to meet demand anytime too. I just don’t like an industry that is based on so much bullcrap. Sure, diamonds are natural and were dug out of the ground, whatever. That means absolutely nothing to me.

If a diamond is all that will do it for you, that’s great. I have no interest in trying to stop anyone from buying diamonds. I don’t care what other people buy with their money. If having something that came from a mine matters to you, that’s great. Frankly though, even if that did matter to me, it’s still not worth the price they’d like me to pay for a small rock, just because it came out of the ground. As far as I’m concerned, if I can have the exact same sparkle, the exact same quality, have the same ability to pass on my stone for generations and all the “oohs” and “ahhs” from admirers for 1/4 of the price, that’s my choice hands down. To each their own, though.

Also, Diamonds are NOT an investment. A diamond set in an engagement ring is no more useful than a moissanite set in an engagement ring. Both are simply decorative.

Post # 87
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: February 2010

I really wish I knew about moissanite before I got engaged! I would have asked for one, and I would be honest with my friends about what it is. They don’t have a lot of money and I don’t like to wear expensive things around them, it makes me feel kind of bad.  

but everyone’s situation is different. I certainly wouldn’t judge a girl who wants to pass a moissanite off as a diamond. I say go for it if it’s not hurting anyone ๐Ÿ™‚

Post # 88
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

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@Asia_Leone: all I’m going to say is that the article is wrong. Your 1ct diamond is not going to be worth millions later in life. That’s an investment. In fact, when you buy a diamond from a store, it LOSES half it’s value as soon as you walk out of the door. Moissanite is grown in a lab because real moissanite is so rare that there isn’t enough of it to make jewelery BUT it shares the same chemical makeup. Diamonds grown in a lab are still diamonds just grown faster but if you put an Earth diamond next to a lab diamond you are not going to be able to tell the difference because they are the same down to the atom. 

Post # 89
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: September 2011

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@Miss Tattoo: WHOA WHOA WHOA…did you say Diamonds GROWN in a lab??? Holy crap, isn’t that called a CZ?? Excuse me, but I never said my diamond is going to be worth millions later,  but my 1 carat is going to be worth the same when I walk out of the door. It’s not a freaking car!

You said so yourself, “Moissanite is grown in a lab because real moissanite is so rare that there isn’t enough of it to make jewelery BUT it shares the same chemical makeup.” So if REAL Moissy are so rare and the ones are made in the lab…what are they consider than? UnREAL?

You also said, “Diamonds grown in a lab are still diamonds just grown faster.” No sweetie, these are called CZ, NOT diamonds. If diamonda can be GROWN in a lab, than it would be cheaper and I would be wearing a 15 carat easily.Logic sweetie.

Your post makes no sense!

 

Post # 90
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: September 2011

Long story short, if your man give you a diamond ring, are you going to say, “no thank you honey, I prefer lab created Moissy…

 

Post # 91
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

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@Asia_Leone: 

Did you say Diamonds GROWN in a lab??? Holy crap, isn’t that called a CZ??

No. Diamonds GROWN in a lab have the same chemical makeup as diamonds grown in the earth. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond

I do know that Diamond Nexsus labs were just selling CZ, but there are companies out there who do sell actual lab grown diamonds. The ONLY difference is that one takes millions of years to make and the other doesn’t. But when it comes down to the diamond DNA, they are both the same. 

but my 1 carat is going to be worth the same when I walk out of the door. It’s not a freaking car!

Sadly it won’t. If you purchase a $6000 1ct Leo diamond from Kays or whoever else has them, you will not be able to resell it at $6000 or more 10 years later. In fact, as soon as you take that diamond out of the store, it retains it’s REAL value. Diamonds in stores are marked up to pay for overhead. If you go to Ebay right now and search brand new certified Leo Diamonds at 1ct, they will not be $6000. but a brand new certified Leo from Kays is about $6000. 

You also said, “Diamonds grown in a lab are still diamonds just grown faster.” No sweetie, these are called CZ, NOT diamonds. If diamonda can be GROWN in a lab, than it would be cheaper and I would be wearing a 15 carat easily.Logic sweetie.

Google is your best friend in this situation sweetie. You do know that they grow veggies and other foods in labs also, right? Would you know the difference from a lab grown tomato and one that comes from the earth? If they weren’t marked in a grocery store, would you know? 

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