(Closed) Moissanite or Diamond???? HELP!!!

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Post # 92
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: September 2011

A real LV bag looks identical to a fake LV bag. Which do you prefer? And don’t say they are the same because it’s not. They are starting to clone animals. In a 50 years from now they will have the capability to clone your pet or a sibling, are you ok with the lab created dog in your backyard? Would you know the difference? Whether it is as small and insignificant as a tomato,  to something significant and important as a pet or human being, the point to me is, I prefer the real, not lab “created.” I think other stones are BEAUTIFUL, such as pearls, such as Sapphire and Tanzanite. All are BEAUTIFUL. But my point is I prefer the ones that are NOT lab created.

This debate can go on and on and on and so many methaphore and reasons can be given. By the end of the day, I chose Diamonds. By the end of the day, the person who started this thread will chose what she is happy with and thats all it matters. This thread looks like it gotten way out of line here and not helping the person who is looking for answers so I apologize to her. I hope she decides on something amazing for her!

 

Post # 93
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: December 2010

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@Asia_Leone:  Diamonds in the $X,XXX-XX,XXX price ranges are not rare, and they are not investments. Sorry to burst your bubble, but as Miss Tattoo points out, a regular store-bought diamond easily loses half its value the second you leave the store with it. A new car would be a better investment, and you must know what they say about those. A close family member of mine has been a jewelry and gemstone wholesaler for 40 years, so I think I’m going to take her word over yours. Come back and talk to me when you’ve been buying and selling diamonds professionally for longer than most people on WB have been alive.

The only diamonds that might actually increase in value cost millions of dollars. You can’t buy them in a store. They are not available to regular Joes to purchase. They go to extremely wealthy collectors and museums. I am willing to bet that not a single bee on WB has a diamond that is actually collection-worthy, and therefore a proper investment.

Ask yourself, if diamonds are so rare, why does practically everyone have one? I already had not just one, but a few diamonds in my jewelry box when I picked moissanite for my e-ring.

See, that’s the effect of DeBeers marketing that we’re referring to… all these misconceptions about diamonds that go entirely unchallenged. I’m not saying diamonds are not beautiful, or that they have no worth. I’m just saying that they’re not everything DeBeers would have you think they are.

I find it interesting that in general, the people who are most well-informed about diamonds are actually moissanite owners. A lot of the statements that diamond owners take to be “insults from jealous moissanite owners” are really objective facts about diamonds that their owners were ignorant of.

Here are just a few myths I’ve heard lately on these boards:

  • Diamonds are an investment that keep their value or increase in value over time.
  • Diamonds are unbreakable, they are literally “forever.”
  • Lab-made diamonds are really cheap, but no one wants them because they’re “fake” diamonds (see page 2 of this thread, the post by
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  • Natural diamonds are very rare and that’s why they’re valuable
  • The qualities of a diamond are superior to any other clear gemstone, and that’s why any other clear stone is just a wannabe for the “real thing”
  • The Kimberly Process is a foolproof way to ensure that you didn’t buy a conflict diamond

Again, not trying to dis diamonds. I think most diamonds are just beautiful. I wear the diamonds I received as gifts. I have oooohed and aaahhhed over my friends’ diamond e-rings. I just wish we could have honest, unbiased discussions about the objective merits of each type of stone. Whenever someone asks for an opinion on moissanite, I always talk about the issue of color in moissanites, and the fact that diamonds are harder. I don’t feel the need to spread misinformation or exaggerate the facts to justify my choice.

Post # 94
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: December 2010

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@Asia_Leone:You also said, “Diamonds grown in a lab are still diamonds just grown faster.” No sweetie, these are called CZ, NOT diamonds. If diamonda can be GROWN in a lab, than it would be cheaper and I would be wearing a 15 carat easily.Logic sweetie.

Um, NO sweetie. Logic is not your friend, apparently.

Diamonds have been growing in labs since the 1950’s. Almost any mineral can be grown in a lab if it’s possible to simulate the same conditions that create the mineral in nature. However, the process to synthesize diamonds is extremely expensive. Therefore, lab-created diamonds have not taken off commercially because you can get mined diamonds for roughly the same price.

The only lab-created diamonds that are commercially viable for jewelry are yellow/brown or blue diamonds. Nitrogen and boron contamination is what creates diamonds of those colors, and removing these elements from the lab environment slows down the growth process and reduces the quality of the crystals. Therefore, colorless lab diamonds are still difficult to grow and therefore very costly.

Like I said, it seems that the people who get the most defensive about diamonds seem to be the people who are the most ignorant about diamonds and the jewelry industry in general.

 

Post # 95
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

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@jayce: Lab-made diamonds are really cheap, but no one wants them because they’re “fake” diamonds (see page 2 of this thread, the post by @deliciousappleblue:)

I said they were fake, because they are.  I never said nobody wanted them.  Just keeping things straight.

Carry on, ladies.

Post # 96
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

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@jayce: Thank you. I don’t know how someone can’t be aware of what they are purchasing or the lies they spread about alternates. I wonder how many people do believe lab created diamonds are actually CZ. That’s scary. 

I love diamonds. They are pretty stones, but the diamond industry is ugly and I think when you are searching for other options, it’s best to be aware of all the info out there. I spent countless nights reading about Debeers, the Kimberly Process, the controlled prices, ect and at the end of the day I still wanted a colorless stone, but it wasn’t going to be a diamond. I did my research on moissanite just as much. I was aware that it was lab grown and not the same mineral that came from space. 

I just wish more people would read some info because if not, attitudes like “lab created diamonds are CZ and fake” will continue to spread and keep alive the idea that e-ring must equal diamond or he doesn’t love you. 

Post # 97
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: December 2010

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@deliciousappleblue: You said, “You could buy a lab-made diamond for about what a moissanite costs also, if not for less.  It’s not really fair to say that all the hype about diamonds is pure marketing, because that’s simply not true.”

Apologies for misreading your inferences. But what I was trying to point to was the fact that you were wrong about lab-made diamonds being priced the same as moissantie. It’s not even close. So what do you have to say about that? Do your conclusions still hold up?

Post # 98
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

a colorless lab made diamond far exceeds the price of the same earth mined diamond because it’s hard to create. Labs can easily create yellow/brown diamonds at the same cost, but because there is an extra process to make it as inclusion free as possible, it make the time and cost go up. 

Before Debeers came into the market, women didn’t have diamond engagement rings. So the tradition of having diamonds is less than 100 years old. Women wore colored gemstones as engagement rings. Debeers started the two month salary rule to get men to spend more and started the Diamonds are a girls best friend with Marilyn Monroe I believe. (I don’t remember if they coined the slogan before or after the movie) They started to put starlets in diamonds because they knew women would want to copy the stars. 

Debeers controls the market. They have vaults of diamonds that they release or hold from the market. I wouldn’t say there is a “hype” but all of us grew up after Debeers and we are all conditioned to believe engagement ring=diamond. When we start to form our own opinion and question things (religion, rules, politics, ect) we do our research and make an informed decision. 

Post # 99
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

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@jayce: Sure they do.  If I’m wrong about the prices, I apologize.  I’ll stand behind everything else that I said, though, and I never once implied that anyone would not or should not buy another stone for being fake (or for any other reason) – just that not being the real thing does in fact mean that fake is what it is.  I think people can draw their own conclusions from that.  My own conclusions never had anything to do with the merits of one stone over another, or what someone should or should not do (beyond edit themselves to ensure that they are not tramping all over the rights of others in the pursuit of ther own).  Why should my conclusion change based upon my misunderstanding of the price of one particular type of simulant in a post about many?

Post # 100
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: December 2010

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@Miss Tattoo: Me too. I thoroughly researched and made sure I understood ALL the options. My confidence in choosing moissanite comes from being well-informed.

Was I skeptical about moissanite at first? Of course! I had never heard of it until I started researching diamond alternatives, and I thought, “This moissanite stuff is way too good to be true.” But after sorting out the hard facts from the opinions and marketing propoganda, my choice was easy to make.

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@Miss Tattoo: Absolutely! And not to mention that big diamond engagement rings are only really considered “traditional” in certain markets, such as North America. DH is Scandinavian and having a big diamond e-ring is definitely not a cultural expectation where he’s from. He was totally appalled when I told him about the “two months’ salary rule.” 

I must admit, I learned a lot about my own cultural blindness when I first started discussing rings with him. Becoming aware of how falsely hyped up diamonds are in North American culture was one of the major reasons I started looking into diamond alternatives.

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@deliciousappleblue: Usually when an inference is based on a falsehood, the conclusion is also false. So what were you inferring by making that statement?

 

Post # 101
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

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@jayce: Nothing. I suppose that’s why I’m misunderstanding your question.  Insert “cubic zirconia” where I said “lab-made diamond” and the end result is the same: simulated gems are typically cheaper than the real ones.  It’s unfair for someone to say that the price of a diamond is solely based on its reputation, when other factors apply (such as the fact that the diamond was mined, and the CZ was made).

Post # 102
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Worker bee
  • Wedding: December 2011

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@Miss Tattoo: Come on “Miss Tattoo” if you don’t care about what people thought about your moissy then you wouldn’t post or get an to an argument with anyone.

I’m just tired of this BS.

Moissy is a cheaper stone, yep I said it CHEAP!!! a flat screen is more expensive then a regular T.V. that’s life. if you bought it great and guess what?? I think it’s beautiful. But, I don’t have one my Fiance bought me a diamond ring I liked.

And I hate the people that are saying.. oh I’m glad he didn’t buy it because he has the money.. and he isn’t poor now. Get over it. Geez.

This crap needs to stop this girl was asking for advice, not for people to bash one another.

Post # 103
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: December 2010

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@lovelyallure:This crap needs to stop this girl was asking for advice, not for people to bash one another.

Most of the people here, including Miss Tattoo, are posting actual information about diamonds and moissanites, including dispelling myths and falsehoods that are being perpetuated about both of these stones.

I’m finding it hilarious that you’re scolding people for bashing each other instead of giving helpful advice, and yet you’re the one who is bashing Miss Tattoo and not contributing ANY useful information about either gemstone. Wow… way to be a hypocrite. Thanks for coming out, but try taking some of your own advice next time.

Post # 104
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

um…i didn’t post this thread. Imb going to correct people witj misinformation. stating that a lab created diamond is a cz is wrong so I don’t know what your issue is. i am in the rock your choice with confidence camp. and my moissanite wasnt cheap. we spent over $1200 for itand to me that isn’t cheap. 

Post # 105
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

man my phone sucks. actually i suck at using the keypad. my touch screen doesn’t work on this site and my thumbs are huge. lol

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Buzzing Beekeeper

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@lovelyallure: It’s easier to just not respond to a topic you are sick of than to come in yelling at everyone for arguing.

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