Post # 62
agreed, love what you both said!!
you have your opinion and you are entitled to it. But I am glad that I have the choice of abortion, because its my right as a woman. I personally have met 2 people who wished they were aborted rather then brought up in the hell they were in, and I think hearing their stories made me realize that abortion can be a right choice given certain circumstances.
To be completly honest, its my body, my choice, and I come first to that baby. Without me, that baby would 100% guaranteed not live, so I have to do what’s right for me first and foremost. If I had to choose between abortion and adoption, I think I would choose abortion.
Post # 63
OT but I have to say it. I’m pregnant right now, and I’m really excited, really happy etc and I’m hoping and praying for a happy and healthy pregnancy. I’m also well aware that the cells forming inside me can’t actually be qualified as a foetus yet much less an actual baby. I love my bunch of cells to death but no. Additionally, consider yourself lucky to have never met anyone who ishes they were aborted. My mum is a social worker and I have heard this sentiment expressed by many of her charges. They have even tried to ‘rectify’ the situation by taking their own lives. Using Steve Jobs and Barack Obama as examples is baffling to me. I have no idea what that has to with anything. Just saying.
Everything you say is always so ridiculously spot on.
Post # 64
I think that @chicagowife:
makes a very valid point by using someone like Steve Jobs as an example. Just goes to show that some people who go through a difficult childhood, or who are given up for adoption, foster care and raised “Against the odds” can still grow in heros, champions and famous people and can make something awesome of themselves. Steve Jobs’ real parents probably thought about terminating that pregnancy, but in the end look how successful he became. The point is none of us have seen the future so none of us can say with 100% certainty how good or bad a child’s future may turn out to be unless we give them a chance to live.
Having said that, each woman is in charge of her own body and should be able to make the decision to keep or not keep her baby. but she shouldnt expect that everyone else will be cheering her on, since some people have different opinions about it.
Post # 65
This may be your experience, but that doesn’t mean its the same experience everyone has had. I have met people who would rather not be here, than deal with lasting effects of mental illness or fetal alcohol, or were raising themselves from the age of 5 on while their mother was off scoring drugs and had never met their father.
I guess I just don’t understand why it’s “not up to us to judge who will have a good life or not”, but it IS acceptable for us to judge other women for making a very tough decision for their own body, when that woman is the ONLY PERSON in the world who has all information about the situation at hand? Seems hypocritical to me, to say the least.
Thanks for that link, very interesting! The political climate in Canada is so different, I’m not sure if the topic is not discussed because it’s taboo, or because it’s just not as big of a deal, but truly the only time I see the subject of abortion come up is on forums that have American members or in American magazines. I have a few friends who have been in the position of having to make this very difficult decision, so it has come up in our circle of friends, but I truly never see it brought up in the media.
Post # 66
Barack Obama was born to a poor single mother. Steve Jobs was carried to term and adopted by a loving family. These are but two examples of babies (i.e. people) that, under many of the views expressed here, it would be perfectly fine to have killed. But look at what these men were able to accomplish, even if they weren’t born into perfect circumstances. Their mothers decided that, even though these children weren’t convenient, or even wanted (in Jobs’ case), their lives were precious and worth living. I wonder how many other people have been killed through abortion could have had similarly remarkable lives.
Everyone can attack me at will, it’s not surprising to me at all. But to me, abortion is the taking of an innocent life. It is killing a baby. I’m very sad for those of you who have met “many people” who wish they were aborted. That’s tragic. But I bet you wouldn’t argue that it would therefore me ok for you to murder them. I only hope someday our society will turn away from a practice that says that only some babies have the right to live.
Post # 67
Why do I think media portrays a certain class of women whom get abortions as irreponsible teens, whom use it as a form of birth control?! Well, because I think with every ‘taboo’ subject, it is EASIEST for those on the opposing side to villanize, or stereotype those making the decision. There are two, three, four sides to every story, but I would be SHOCKED if many media outlet would come out and state the truth in this matter, which is women, of all ages/races/economic statuses have abortions. It is in that truth that abortion is, and should be viewed as a ‘right’ to those facing the situation. Instead of a ‘baby killing’ institution.
I have always been pro-choice, because I never knew what I would do if I were put in a situation to decide. Until, as a happy/secure/professional/late 20-something year old woman, I was put in that situation with my SO, whom is just as secure in life.
After many long, hard, honest conversations, we decided that the best thing for US was to terminate the pregnancy. It was just not our time, with many outside factors being thrown into the situation. Such as, we both pay a mortgage (and would have 9 months to sell/pack/move/etc), and/or the fact that I am in between health insurance carriers, and do not have full coverage. I can go on and on, but in the end, I feel secure in my decision, and was THANKFUL to have the option.
Furthermore, it was in that moment, when I saw older women there, with their husbands, or SO’s opposed to irresponsible teen moms that I realized that even I HAD NO CLUE who else was making this decision. Probably because the media pursuaded me to believe one thing vs the other.
Post # 68
I really just want to say, to all you ladies who say ” I could never, I would never, I’m pro life, etc, etc.” You REALLY don’t know until it’s you in that situation. Until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes you have no idea what it’s like and no place or right to judge.
OP – I think women who get abortions are always portrayed negatively as unfortunate as that is. I don’t see a lot of talk about abortions or the way women are portrayed that often, but I just know that there is a negative view of it. I mean, if there wasn’t then it wouldn’t be a hot topic in political debates. In my opinion, the government has no right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do with their body. Even down to wearing a seat belt.
Post # 69
Obama was not born to a poor, single mother. Ann Dunham was married to Barack Obama Sr when Obama was born. Not only was she married, but she also had a fantastic support system in her parents, who helped raise Barack.
I’m not jumping in to the debate, when when examples are used, I think they should be correct.
Post # 70
Obviously there is no point in arguing with you on abortion itself, but I will continue to say that using Barack Obama and Steve Jobs as examples is ridiculous. You have no idea what the circumstances/background of the Jobs’ birthmother was, so the point is completely moot. Obama’s mother was actually married to his father when he was born, so no, she did not deliver her child as a single mother. They went on to divirce but she had a wonderful family support system with his grandparents picking up the slack and she went on to marry again. Please stop comparing either of those situations with people who are desperate and know for a fact that they are unable to do right by their children, you are not doing your cause any favours.
Post # 71
I think that the way media portrays women who have made the decision to have abortions is shameful. I’m not going to get into whether I’m pro-life or pro-choice, because that doesn’t matter.
What does matter is that I’m a woman, and I have compassion for all women, no matter their age, who have had to make the choice to terminate a pregnancy. I personally know some women who have had to make that choice, and while I don’t always agree with their reasoning, my hearts breaks for them, that they would have to make such a decision.
So, ultimately, I think that the media should also show more compassion. Because you can (and should) have compassion, whether you’re pro-life or pro-choice.
Post # 72
I think those two examples are very apropos. Steve Jobs’s biological mother did not want a child, so she carried him to term and allowed him to be adopted. An amazing, loving choice that brought much good to the world. Barack Obama – sorry for the misstatement about his mother being unwed – was nonetheless born to an eighteen-year old woman when it was taboo to have interacial children. My point is that these are two women who chose LIFE, and thank God they did.
The opening post asked what we think of women who are already mothers who are aborting their children. How much more sad that these women – who are much better off than Barack Obama or Steve Jobs’ mothers – choose to kill their sons and daughters.
Post # 73
You what, lets just end this offensiveness here. I’m going to stop responding to you at this point. There are so many people on this thread who have spoken about ho hearthbreaking it was for them to find themselves in a position where they were not able to have their baby. Again, you continue to talk aboyt Steve Jobs (a non-factor because I maintain that you have no idea about his birth mother, her circumstances or reasons for giving the child up for adoption. She may have very much wanted him but been forced to change her mind at the last minute.) and Barack Obama whose mother was in an interracila marriage, so therefore I don’t see how having a birracial child was suddenly more taboo than marrying the father of said child. Your comments about it being taboo to have an interracial child at that time are pure conjecture.Furthermore, I find it ironic that you are talking about how wrong it is for people to have the right to choose when if the Obamas had lived in a different state, their right to choose to be married might not have been there.
What is more troubling is this statement :
How much more sad that these women – who are much better off than Barack Obama or Steve Jobs’ mothers – choose to kill their sons and daughters.
I mean really? They chose to abort their pregnancies. Thank god they have the choice. When you get pregnant with an unwanted pregnancy, I’m assuming you will choose to keep it. Good for you. What a wonderful thing that we live in a country where people have choice.
Post # 74
So you can only be called a single mother if you were single on the date the baby was born? I dont get it.
Post # 75
applauds for you. Seriously.
you are being really offensive, close minded and honestly just plain rude. And this coming from someone who does not get offended easily. Please step off your soap box and just leave this thread, because it’s not a debate about abortion being right or wrong.
Post # 76
People people. This thread is totally devolving into exactly what I didn’t want it to devolve into. Please, I only asked about how the media portrays ladies who have abortions and what we think about it. Also, does this change how you view the ladies who get abortions based on the fact that it’s not really a lot of teenage reckless ladies who are using it as a birth control measure? Or who are poor and desperate. The fact is that many of the ladies who get abortions do not fit the narative that a lot of people have in their heads. Sometimes, I think people’s concept of abortion and what it entails and who gets it and why they get it, is based on facts that are shaped by the media. The media does report facts but they do ‘massage and shape’ them into what we see/read. This is not a question of “is abortion good or bad”, or if “you will ever have an abortion” or ‘what stage do we get to a fetus/person/bunch of cells/baby” etc kind of debate. I wouldn’t want the powers that ‘bee’ to close this thread based on how the thread has devolved. There have been a lot of flags. Let’s just go back to what’s being discussed. I really love the ladies of the bee and I love discussing with you. Thanks guys!