(Closed) More mothers getting abortions. Thoughts on how media portrays ladies who abort?

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Post # 77
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Helper bee
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@chicagowife: Your point was tactfully made in your first post. What are you trying to accomplish now? Your continuing posts are becoming the equivalent of saying the same thing over and over again, except yelling it louder each time in order to win the argument. Unproductive.

If you were really trying to educate and discuss an alternative view point you wouldn’t resort to low blows and insults. Especially after others have shared their own personal experiences.

For me, my opinion on abortion has always been that it is a necessary resource. I guess I never really thought of it as something just wayward teenagers did. I don’t know why. Maybe because I read Sassy magazine in highschool. 😛   Seriously though, I got more sex education from that publication, and Judy Blume books, than I did in school.

Post # 78
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: February 2012

I think the problem with the thread mostly stems from the argument that “the media is portraying these people as bad women!” when a lot of pro-life people would respond “well, they ARE bad women!” so it’s hard to distance the argument of “how should the media portray people who have abortions?” to people who believe that anyone who has an abortion is a bad person and therefore it doesn’t matter how the media portrays something who is a “bad person.”

I also think it’s easier for the media to place blame on teenage abortions instead of older women who make that decision.  It’s easier to say that these young people are misguided and sinning than it is to say this religious woman is making a medical choice? Regardless of how any media outlet describes abortion, they will receive a backlash from either side of the debate– but I think all-around, it’s easier to talk about younger, less-educated people than it is to open the floodgates of how varied the clientele is? Does that make sense?

Again, I don’t think abortion is the right answer and this isn’t the place to go into my personal history regarding that decision. That said, I think the media should just stay out of everyone’s business. Regardless of how I feel about abortion, I don’t think anyone deserves to be plastered all over the place and have strangers knowing your personal choices and struggles. 

 

Post # 79
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Buzzing bee
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@bells:

she said he was born to a poor single mother, he wasn’t. So yes, her statement was factually incorrect.

Post # 80
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Buzzing bee
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@bRooklynRocks:

I’m really sorry for my part in the abortion debate. I do believe though that the issue of how the media portrays women who get abortions is being represented in my back and forth over Obama’s mother. She was a married woman, but it is easier for people to say she was a poor teenage single mother who chose to keep her child. As though the only people faced with these choices are irresponsible, single teenagers. It just isn’t true. But no one wants to talk about that. It is like some dirty secret.

Post # 81
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: March 2011

I just found an article claiming that recently news outlets are using the words “baby” and “child” more often than “fetus”.   It may have been a pro-life website that I happened on, so I don’t know the study behind the findings, but it would be interesting to see if there’s been a change in the language. 

As for tv shows or movies, the stance of the writers/ producers/ directors would have to come into play.  It’s such an emotional issue.  Even when an attempt is made to portray it honestly, it’s subjective.  Which is why the choice of words makes a difference.  In one sentence, a reporter can set the tone simply by choosing to say “fetus” instead of “baby” (or the opposite). 

I totally agree with pp’s that it’s easier to portray a stereotype or villanize than it is to develop the complexity and difficulities of a woman as she navigates the choice.

Post # 82
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Buzzing Beekeeper
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@plantains: . I didnt ask if what she said was factually correct or not. My question was  “So you can only be called a single mother if you were single on the date the baby was born?..”  I thought my question was very straightforward, but I guess not.

Post # 83
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Sugar bee

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@chicagowife: I think many bees’ issue with you using those particular examples is that they are the very rare exeception, and that given the strain that unwanted children place on the rest of the planet, as well as the mother, we as women and the sole lifeline for something that is completely dependent on the resources our body provides should have the right to choose whether we will continue to shoulder this burden and then place it on society at large by carrying to term.

For every Obama, Jobs, Beethoven there are a million starving, malnourished, abused, sick, statistically likely to become criminals, unwanted children that have either been brought to term or have been aborted. It isn’t a pretty truth, but it is unavoidable.

And to get back to the point: The media and the pro-choice campaign do a disservice to the women and men of the country by focusing on the minority of the population who get abortions. If people could understand that aborting an unwanted pregnancy is just as much a choice about family planning as seeking a pregnancy, then we might have a more honest and productive conversation about sex and reproduction in this culture in the first place.

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Busy Beekeeper
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@fvsoccer: this, couldn’t have said it better

Post # 85
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Busy bee

I know everyone gets really upset when people express the pro-life view that unborn children are human beings who deserve the chance to live.  People say that I’m being “offensive” and “insulting.”  That really is not my intent.  I am simply trying to show why I think it is so so so incredibly sad that anyone – let alone women in established and stable families, as in the OP’s linked article – would choose to abort. 

If you want to understand how I feel (instead of just angrily dismissing the points I’m trying to make), all I would ask is that you do a simple thought experiment:  If you actually, really, honestly believed that an unborn baby, was a fully human child (the exact same as a baby who has been born), how would you feel about abortion?  If you saw someone trying to kill a newborn baby, what would you do?  Even if you disagree with my premises, perhaps you will understand better the place I’m coming from.

I think pro-choice people have a lot of admirable goals – women’s rights, autonomy, and family planning, to name just a few.  But for me, all of those admirable goals have to yield to preserve an innocent human life.

I won’t post anymore on this thread (I think several of you have made it clear that opposing viewpoints are not welcome), but please do think about my thought experiment.  Thanks all.   

Post # 86
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Buzzing bee
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@bells:

Totally confused by what you are asking me and why. Are you refering to something I said specifically? Until I have some context or know what purpose your question serves, I don’t see how I can answer it truthfully.

And to answer your second question, no, your first question was not straightforward at all so you guessed right.

Post # 87
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Bumble Beekeeper
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@chicagowife:  You’re asking others to see where you are coming from but yet you’re not able to understand or even have compassion for where other people are coming from. That’s hypocritical, don’t you think?

Post # 88
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Sugar bee
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@chicagowife:  I think the communication breakdown here is that this thread wasn’t intended to be a debate on whether abortion is right or wrong.  Your opinions are valuable, but perhaps on a different thread.  The OP is worried that her intended discussion will be shut-down if we don’t stay on topic.

Post # 90
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Sugar bee
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@Beluga: I lol’d. 

Post # 91
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Sugar bee

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@Beluga: That is just terrible. I haven’t seen many stories like that, but I can now fully appreciate how the media is failing to represent issues fairly. gahhh

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